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23 Aug 2018 22:21:53
Think with all the 13 new signing 5 of which are new to championship i.e. Portuguese lads soudani. Karanka as been playing them altogether to soon. He should go back to basics and gradually bring them in over time.
He needs to pick players in right positions
And formations.

I'd go 442 or 352 at home this Saturday
With byram Robinson Dawson coming into the back 4 Watson colback holding cash lolley out wide. Soudani grabbon up top. With One of them dropping off in hole
If I was going 352
It would be Dawson fig fox
Byram Robinson as wing backs colback Watson cash with soudani grabbon up top.
I prefer 442 though.

Thoughts anyone?

Red always

1.) 23 Aug 2018 22:30:28
Red you can harp on all day about your formations,but karanka will only play one.
It's a pointless suggesting any other as it won't happen.

2.) 23 Aug 2018 23:12:31
They've had a full pre-season and should be ready to play.How long do we wait until they're ready? They need to start showing us what they can do because if they can't do it now they've got no chance on a cold night in January. Must agree that on current form Cash and Soudani should play and I would definitely bring in Robinson and Byram because defensively we are poor. Let's try and keep faith with the new boys and try to encourage them on match day.

3.) 23 Aug 2018 23:53:10
If karanka persists with just 1 upfront and no plan b. It could cost him his job.

4.) 24 Aug 2018 00:28:45
Are the Portuguese players the 3 Italians in disguise - I Remember how well they played in the 1st game and then. .?

5.) 24 Aug 2018 08:43:24
Read a quote from Sheffield u manager last week, when asked about his formation in defeat, he said “to quote the greatest English manager everBrian clough formations don’t win or lose you matches players do “

6.) 24 Aug 2018 13:30:09
The thing is guys I could understand you saying this if we were in QPR's position, but as things stand we are 4 points off the top, and have played some good teams! There are valid points with performance's and defence, which hopefully will only get better. I don't think we should be dropping the new signings, as they are better than what we had. With the old guard in, those battling draws we got, would probably have been defeats last season. If we beat Birmingham on Saturday, we will be well up in the mix! COYR

7.) 24 Aug 2018 16:16:19
AK uses 14 players on matchday and changes the system to suit so why are we all getting hung up on old school systems?

8.) 24 Aug 2018 17:35:52
Half the time old school systems work,especially at championship level,just ask Warnock and pullis.
Football is a simple game made hard by managers trying to play like real Madrid,but without the quality to do so.

9.) 24 Aug 2018 20:15:04
Warnock is the exception 442 /451 merchant who looks like doing a Direby this season. Pulis has not got Boro up yet and football has changed since he dragged Stoke up so let's just see what happens?
I see Pulis is playing 3 at the back so he is as flexible as AK!

10.) 24 Aug 2018 21:02:33
So why didn’t you have the hate for warbo that you do for karanka ff?you just stated exactly what warbo did but you loved him.confused

11.) 24 Aug 2018 21:50:14
I don't hate anyone Sutton quite the contrary,it's not in my nature.
I hope karanka turns us into world beaters,I just put my opinion over and you can read what you like into it.
I pay for my season card and say what I see,but am not naive enough to think everyone feels the same.
You do hate warbo and that's worrying as he has a better win rate ,which you can't argue with,was never allowed the funds and had only one transfer window to prove himself,plus saved us from relegation with the players he inherited.
I sincerly hope karanka is the one,but from what I've seen I have my doubts.
Hope that clears it up for you

12.) 25 Aug 2018 00:09:08
FF, can you articulate those doubts ?

13.) 25 Aug 2018 00:17:09
Just want to get there red and we all know when we get there you'll lose more than you win.
Hope your chosen ☝️does it.

14.) 25 Aug 2018 00:33:19
I'm not a Boro fan redinexile so wouldn't know.
What I do know is he'll get them promoted as sure as the grass they play on.

15.) 25 Aug 2018 09:59:06
My doubts about karanka bringing success 2 star,
His trademark for success is a tight defence and were looking anything but in that department.
We won't score hatfulls of goals,put the two together and that's not a recipe for success.

16.) 25 Aug 2018 10:14:53
Ff I am of the opinion that the defence will improve as will the attack! Problem solved!

17.) 25 Aug 2018 14:15:47
And do you not think the defence and attack would have improved if Warburton had been allowed to spend £25M?

18.) 25 Aug 2018 14:36:03
We'll never know RedCyclist.

19.) 25 Aug 2018 14:37:15
RC the defence in no way would have improved under him, though the attack would have improved massively as he took the attitude of sod the defence and just hope we score more than the other team. Was Warburton too thick to realise he had loads of money to spend, or was he not trusted with serious money and was only brought in untill a supposedly better manager became available.

20.) 25 Aug 2018 14:59:58
Like I said then.

21.) 25 Aug 2018 17:35:08
Yep FF79 - that about nails it for me.



21 Aug 2018 21:13:34
What players are still left that need loaning out or contracts cancelled?

Red always

1.) 21 Aug 2018 21:48:58
Way too many to remember.

2.) 22 Aug 2018 15:07:09
Henderson, Evtimov, Ward, Ariyibi, Lam, Clough and Vellios. Then it remains to be seen if we have loan (or loan with view to sell) plans for Smith , Worrall, Bridcutt, Yates and Brereton.



17 Aug 2018 22:07:44
We should not be loaning brereton he should be our 3rd choice striker in front of Murphy. He should get plenty of game time coming off bench starting off games. The lads only going to get better. He's only 19 years old.
Playing in his favoured position with the better players we have this season will do him loads more good.
And his value will ticket in today's crazy market
Keep hold of him.

Red always

1.) 18 Aug 2018 07:23:59
Brereton and Murphy are different strikers and fit different tactics.if you want to play away with a lone striker to win balls in the air Murphy is First choice and brereton third maybe 4th if you include Soudani.if you want a goal scorer and your going to play football and want to bring the midfielders into play Grabban is 1st choice and brereton is second.maybe even 3rd if ya want to put Soudani in not saying get rid but brereton and Murphy play different not saying get rid but he needs to wait and take his chance when it comes or decide to go out on loan until jan.
He played last season and he also went to an england tournament so maybe he’s being looked after properly rather than burning him out.the comp didn't finish till end of July.

2.) 18 Aug 2018 09:03:24
It comes down to how badly the club need the money to balance the books. How do we know that Forests plan was always going to be offloading a youngster or two to balance the books after the summers spending. For me, 8m for Brereton presents good money. Whether he should be getting game time or not is another story but the fact is he isn't, AK sees him as 4th striker right now.

3.) 18 Aug 2018 11:11:10
It's obviously not down to money as it's now a loan window?

4.) 18 Aug 2018 11:35:04
Perks you literally sent that post ONE second too early!

5.) 19 Aug 2018 09:35:17
I wouldn't be surprised to see BB go and another striker come in on loan.



16 Aug 2018 15:06:37
Unless we are bringing in another forward of prem quality. We should not be letting brereton even go out on loan.
He should be ahead of Murphy every week.
Murphy Is past it and we should be developing the likes of brereton and worrell not loaning or selling them.

Red always

1.) 16 Aug 2018 17:29:56
I think they would both benefit from loans if they are getting game time but I wouldn't like to see them sold. Both could have big futures ahead of them. Lascelles was ripped apart on here and nobody was bothered when he went to Newcastle. Now he is on the fringe of the England squad and worth 30 mill.

2.) 16 Aug 2018 18:16:41
Nobody was bothered when he went to Newcastle? Didn’t we get a pretty good deal and a loan back for the season? Nobody will moan when we do well out of a deal which to be fair at that time we really needed

3.) 16 Aug 2018 18:59:17
I agree with everything you are saying 2tone. What I would say is that we are now in a better situation than back then. We are not under pressure to sell to make ends meet and that gives us more bargaining power.I personally wouldn't like to sell either player sold just yet. In an ideal world we should encourage them to develop as players and increase their potential selling price of that were to transpire.

4.) 16 Aug 2018 19:53:49
Brereton is 19 and Worrall is 21 and they have played 53 and 65 senior matches each in struggling teams and are still learning their trade despite winning honours and trophies with England. They are our future as were Lascelles and Darlow who were sold in a fire sale.

Neither are going to be the stand out performers this season to get us our target of promotion but need to develop their game playing week in week out and would benefit from a loan deal. Under no circumstances should they be sold as they will be regulars next year in the Championship or given the chance if we go up where they will have more time to play and improve.

If you want an example of allowing a player to develop then it's Jack Grealish arguably the Championship's best young prospect. He is 22 but now has 137 senior games (100 in the Championship) under his belt, having had a loan season at Notts. Now worth £30m and would have been at Spurs if the builders had finished on time.

The smart business is to get them playing a full season on loan to develop them and their value then loan a Premiership striker to complete our Championship squad?

5.) 16 Aug 2018 20:54:47
Cash in and get a striker that can actually score goals now. 20m for Brereton in 3 years time or 180m for getting promoted to the Prem come what may?

6.) 17 Aug 2018 02:20:02
Cash in now?the window is closed !

7.) 17 Aug 2018 20:21:17
I would loan him out get game time get used to scoring he didn't get many last season yes he played out of position a few times but look at grant 19 last season for Notts already scoring so do bb the world of good game



13 Aug 2018 15:05:28
I'd change majority of players tomorrow
But I'd still play grabbon upfront with brereton he needs to get off mark for confidence
Don't know why some are slating him.
He's scored goals wherever he's played.
But being a loan striker is hard for any forward. Only forward that springs to mind could do it was collymore. But he had everything.
Karanka needs to experiment with 2 upfront
Maybe 3 at back 5 across middle.

Red always

1.) 13 Aug 2018 16:09:11
Grabban isn't on loan

2.) 13 Aug 2018 16:19:34
Lone lol

3.) 13 Aug 2018 16:49:00
Every time Grabban fails to score I blame Murphy. :)

4.) 13 Aug 2018 17:38:38
If he was to play 2 upfront it would be grabbon and soudini

5.) 13 Aug 2018 19:52:04
I'd drop grabban and play soudani

6.) 13 Aug 2018 20:00:00
XI for Bury.


7.) 14 Aug 2018 00:32:34
Hefela will start

8.) 14 Aug 2018 01:59:31
I would play soudani behind grabban and leave carvalho out and play cash and goncalves and maybe watson and Yates in the middle of the park. Think geddy and colback need a well earned rest

9.) 14 Aug 2018 10:36:46
The boss has said he wants to give every player a game so he won't play Grabban who has games under his belt.

I think if Dawson isn't going to start Saturday the might play three at the back to give all three centre backs a run out. If they don't play three at the back then he will play everyone who has not had a start.

Byram, Hefela, Worrall, Robinson
Bridcutt, Yates
Soudani, Concalves, Appiah/Cash?

You can mix and match the front four/5

10.) 14 Aug 2018 11:30:52
I think grabban will get some time tonight good chance of him getting a goal to kick start him off




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22 Oct 2018 17:13:27
I'm probably not the only one but I'm losing patience with karankas stubborness.
He keeps playing
Pants darikwa hefele
Watson alongside colback.
Dias. And keeps leaving grabbon on his own.
Leaves cash osbourne on bench takes lolley off.
Is he trying to get the sack.
Bout time we saw Dawson playing regular
Janko Robinson after his ban Steele
Colback with either geddy bridgcutt or yacob
Murphy up top with grabbon no arn in trying it especially at home with cas lolly wide.
Or go 3 at back and bring extra midfield player in maybe osbourne 352.

Red always

1.) 22 Oct 2018 18:08:10

2.) 22 Oct 2018 18:55:57

3.) 22 Oct 2018 19:12:25
Osborne, Osborne, Osborne, Osborne, or is it Ozbourne, Ozborn, Osbourne. I'm not sure what is his surname again.? Could it be Gazzibaldi, no surely not.? 😁

4.) 22 Oct 2018 19:31:15
Well red always you know what they say you live by the sword and you die by the sword no good to our team tho if and when he gets sacked.

5.) 22 Oct 2018 21:15:09
Thing is we've seen just six wins in his seventeen home games since he took charge,three wins so far this season just following the pattern from last season,very poor return and nowhere near good enough to challenge for promotion.
He has to change,but I don't think he knows how.
We basically haven't moved forward despite a massive influx of players,some we havnt even seen.
Its a no wonder fans can't get excited.

6.) 23 Oct 2018 07:28:51
Ff79 he picks certain players because their mums get angry with him if he doesn't😂😂😂



21 Oct 2018 08:55:05
Why is darikwa getting picked in front of janko? And why is pant getting picked at all.
Time for Steele to be given a chance.
If he doesn't take it. We need a keeper signing in January.

Red always

1.) 21 Oct 2018 09:51:26
Try and get back darlow at newcastle



20 Oct 2018 17:09:18
Tinker man karanka as lost us game.
Pants needs dropping
Dias did he actually turn up.

Red always



19 Oct 2018 18:33:31
Karanka surprised us last team he picked.
So tomorrow's team could be owt.
I'd go with this as Robinson is banned
Janko Dawson fox osbourne
Cash geddy colback lolley

Red always

1.) 19 Oct 2018 19:48:16
Asking for trouble with Osborn at left back. A liability playing there. He's more effective in midfield somewhere

2.) 19 Oct 2018 21:51:32
But who else would you play there???
Can janko play there?
If not then it has to be Osborn,correct spelling.
Just looking forward to going to a match again.
Red wine is on click and collect at the station,to celebrate on the journey home.🍷🍷🍷

3.) 19 Oct 2018 21:57:58
I wish he,d really suprise us and Norwich and play Murphy and Grabban ,with Lolly in such form we could run riot ,it won,t happen but we can dream !

4.) 19 Oct 2018 22:01:38
What about Fox at LB, Dawson and the Heff at CB with Janko at RB?

5.) 19 Oct 2018 23:52:15
Figs over Heff at the moment, other wise.👍

6.) 20 Oct 2018 07:27:13
To be honest I’d be happy with a 3-4-3.
Heff Dawson Fox
Janko Guediora Colback Osborn
Dias Murphy Lolley

Think this would work better as we can use the wingers to break and Murphy can hold the ball up and then defensively we don’t have to worry about Osborn as much because he’s got arguably one of our player of the season contenders behind him.

7.) 20 Oct 2018 10:11:23
Darikwa at right back and Janko at left back. Derek did alrate at 'boro.



15 Oct 2018 16:09:21
Should we bring Burke back?
If we did I wouldn't pay more than 4m
Let's face it. Since he left he as done nothing to warrant the 13m we got for him.
And would he dislodge cash. No way.

Red always

1.) 15 Oct 2018 16:20:29
Does he bring something different to the team, and is he better than we have got already. Everyone will believe something different. I doubt he would leave for £4m

2.) 15 Oct 2018 16:39:23
Burke would walk back into the side.

He's got lightning pace, physicality, runs at players & he's ready made for the championship.

Absolute no brainer for the right money.

3.) 15 Oct 2018 17:41:52
Red always,I think Burke would be "lodging cash!!" 💴💴💴😂😂😂

4.) 15 Oct 2018 18:50:01
If he'd rip championship up then why is he not being picked at West Brom

5.) 15 Oct 2018 20:18:51
The squad as a whole has massively improved since he was sold. That has coincided with a loss of form for Burke. I don't see that we need him back. If we need to strengthen we should be looking for a striker not a winger.

6.) 15 Oct 2018 20:53:00
We don't need him I'd rather play cash on the right although Burke has talent I always felt he lacked enthusiasm for the defensive side of the game and wasn't keen on tracking back

7.) 15 Oct 2018 20:59:12
The trouble is not too many strikers are effective playing the lone role that AK likes so we really need players that can link up with the rest of the midfield to create better chances for our lone striker. Players with pace that naturally like to run at the opposition are just we what we need. Off course there needs to be a end product from the player.

8.) 15 Oct 2018 21:09:46
I think he’d do will and fit into our style - especially at home when the bus is parked !

9.) 15 Oct 2018 22:11:53
One trick pony, he's like grease lightening, but hasn't got a brain on where he's going and his end ball is crap,best deal we ever did, he's gone forget him, he was never that good.

10.) 15 Oct 2018 22:38:39
AK we already have a dearth a attacking midfield options. What happens if Murphy and Grabban are both injured at the same time? That is highly possible,given recent events. We need a back up striker!

11.) 15 Oct 2018 23:44:02
No more wingers. We need central midfielders. Desperately short in that position.

12.) 16 Oct 2018 06:01:11
Im not saying Burke is the answer to the teams problems, but we lack midfields that run at opposition with pace. So we need to get rid of some of our present midfielders and replace them with ones that will frighten the opposition, and that have end product. There are some midfielders we have that can act as temporary striker, but AK's system relies on midfield to score, the lone striker is just there to hold up the ball and get into the oppositions faces, not really a true striking role. We have to get rid of players before bringing in more players. Or do we?

13.) 16 Oct 2018 08:26:44
Ff799 has summed up my thoughts entirely! He will never make a top player without a brain?

14.) 16 Oct 2018 10:08:19
If he was made available,I would try to bring him back. he was a brilliant outlet for us when we were under pressure.
He had the ability to hit teams with that suckerpunch.
Before he left he was definitely one of our best players. no reason why he could be again.
Just say'n 😉😉😉

15.) 16 Oct 2018 12:04:31
Presumably he and his agent wanted the money so both jumped at it. Similar to Bamford who left us and has been loaned out by Chelsea ever since.
It depends on what type of lad Burke is. My guess is that he probably realises he made a mistake leaving Forest like he did and has failed to settle or hit form ever since.
There is no indication that he wants to come back but my guess is AK would only buy him if the Club could afford it, or if players on loan are going back in January or the Summer.
I too feel he would be a valuable addition to the team and could well end up being in the side to replace injuries to Cash, Dias, Goncalves or even Benny O.
Over to you Mr. Marinakis?

16.) 16 Oct 2018 15:55:50
I agree let's bring warbo back as well 😀

17.) 16 Oct 2018 17:56:02
Hi skeggy,how are you keeping mate?
Can we also bring prince billy back to look after the youth set up and dougie to be the entertainment manager 👍

18.) 16 Oct 2018 19:45:14
Wouldn't Billy be better off in charge of public relations given his inside knowledge of the press?

19.) 16 Oct 2018 21:14:22
I’d go along with that as long as he’s based in Siberia 🤣

20.) 17 Oct 2018 14:27:07
I agree 2tone. He'd be ideal for the salt mines, diminutive chap that he is!

21.) 17 Oct 2018 17:28:00
If Luke Dowling offers Burke for sale than he clearly thinks he is not good enough and if he was still our D of F he would not sanction the purchase for the same reason. So we should not go near him with a barge pole!

22.) 19 Oct 2018 10:17:30
Get Burke on loan with view to perm move it Summer. He never wanted to leave really but club pushed move through as needed the money. He will either be so low on confidence that he won’t get a look in over Cash, Lolley, Dias etc or he will come home and suddenly feel comfortable and at home and go straight back to the player we sold and provide very strong competition in the squad!

23.) 19 Oct 2018 16:58:45
Your assumption is that he'd want to come back?

24.) 19 Oct 2018 22:03:15
That ship has sailed,he only played a dozen games or so and we got 13 million,good business,did nowt for Scotland either,
Take him for nothing and see if coming home works?,but wouldn't want to pay a fee at all.




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24 Sep 2018 15:13:45
I'd prefare us to make at least 7 changes for cup game
Steel Dawson figs concalves Dias yocab bridgcutt
And it will still be a good 11

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27 Aug 2018 14:09:45
Ghosts last season warbo played brereton on wing. Karanka accasionally played him as lone forward but in a struggling side fighting a relegation battle.
He as not even been in a squad this season along with worrell wasn't even included in squad in cup when karanka made bout 10 changes.
Karanka had already made up his mind they not his type.
Am starting to think ak is clueless next few games will decide if he's learned who he should be playing

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27 Aug 2018 11:22:05
Agree. Brereton should be getting games for us. To see how he plays with better players around him. Baffled we are selling him so cheap should be at least 10m with sell on clause

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23 Aug 2018 23:53:10
If karanka persists with just 1 upfront and no plan b. It could cost him his job.

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19 Aug 2018 22:23:58
Season long loan with 1m loan fee.

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21 Oct 2018 17:38:59
If a teams under cosh The crowd can get them lifted easily.
Imagine it being quiet as a player then suddenly 20.000 fans start singing. It gives most players that extra spring in their step Which can be the twelth man

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15 Oct 2018 18:50:01
If he'd rip championship up then why is he not being picked at West Brom

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13 Oct 2018 19:00:25
I hate internationals. Can't wait for Norwich Bolton then Leeds all winnable games.

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07 Oct 2018 14:49:11
Agree with tomlin thought we should of signthim anyway
Time will tell us how soudani fares.
We will know come January who's we need

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06 Oct 2018 14:31:35
Not impressed with karankas team. Dawson yes
darikwa no dias no Watson no.
Cash osbourne on bench again.
Can't see us getting anything out the game today.
His karanka wanting to lose his job.

Red always