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09 May 2017 20:03:54
Now that Fawaz is gone, will all those boycotting the club return?

Or will they wait to see how the new guy spends his money, before continuing their boycott.

Anyone who thinks that with the departure of Fawaz, we have got rid of the problem within the club is deluded.

Fawaz was a problem without a doubt, but he was not the only problem and by no stretch of the imagination the biggest.

We have thousands of good loyal fans and they are among the best in the country.

We also have a few hundred not so loyal fans. These fans think they are loyal, but they are very fickle. They are too quick to criticise, they want the club to spend money it does not have and they are forever threatening to boycott the ground. They were there under Nigel Doughty and they are still there.

1.) 09 May 2017 20:17:50
Spend money we do not have. Wonder what their politics are.

2.) 09 May 2017 20:21:40
The only thing that protesting does is saves the protesters money. How often has a club changed its attitude on a subject because of protesting.

Watching boring football is more interesting than standing up holding a bit of wood, or banner spouting words that have no effect, and that is saying something.

3.) 09 May 2017 20:30:39
No one should boycott the club they support just because they don't like the owner, it makes things worst and while I am very glad to see the back of him, he didn't wake up one morning and think, you know what I'm going to buy forest and waste 100 million pounds and run the club into the ground. no one does that and there are plenty of owners just as bad as him on running a club.
Villa, Leeds sheep, Birmingham, Sheffield clubs, wolves, Coventry,
All clubs whose fans believe they belong in the prem, but all badly run and that's why they are with us.

{Ed001's Note - surely it depends on what the owner has done?}

4.) 09 May 2017 20:48:19
Edd agree and at least Fawaz is selling now, for all Blackburn and Coventry fans protests they're still lumbered with their owners.
Blackpool fans have boycotted and the oystons are still in charge and they've built em three quarters of a stadium but ruined the club in the process .
Staying away achieves nothing.

{Ed003's Note - You need to do some research on Blackpool,the stadium was paid for by football league grants and Valeri Belekon's ( a 20 % shareholder) investment and as a side note is suing the Oyston's in the high court this summer.
The Blackpool fans are staying away as a 'not a penny more protest' as many monies have been taken out of the football club and put in the Oyston's other business's,why would any Blackpool fan go and pay in when their money is diverted away from the club,never mind the countless and still ongoing legal actions against fans ? If they don't go their is an appetite for a phoenix club but I doubt it will come to that.

5.) 09 May 2017 21:07:03
I know about blackpool but my point was bad owners in general not a specific case and all that goes with it.

6.) 09 May 2017 21:44:19
The protests were to drive the chairman out, isn't he now going?
I, d say those who put up bits of wood and words that obviously had no effect? are some of Forests most loyal supporters, people who by regularley attendeding have the absolute right to protest .

The right to protest as been fundamental to what we in England take for granted,
People in charge tend to like their own way always have done always will do.

7.) 09 May 2017 22:02:34
My view on this is that our fans do have unrealistic expectations. We are still victims of the success that set the bar too high for an relatively unfashionable club as it raised expectations too high. No one was in a position to turn the silver into gold and many of us find it frustrating that we can't compete in tier 2.

It's quite hard to understand how we got so bad but I think Clough covered over a lot of rot at the club - God bless him - and it all fell apart quickly around him as his magic sadly ran out.

It's still hard to comprehend the rapidity of our demise which shows that one mans magic made us special rather than the greatness of the club. Fergie wasn't dissimilar but Man Utd ensured the magic of a man set the foundations of a great club.

8.) 09 May 2017 22:41:09
So you've driven an owner out that you detest, are you sure the ship that's sailing in will be better?
How long is he allowed to own the club without successbefore it's time to protest and get rid of him?
He's in charge and it's his money.
Most owners aren't liked even man utd and what they got to moan about
There's no guarantee of success, I'll just be happy to watch my team every week play good football without the fear of relegation and not be laughed at next season.
New era let's hope there's no need for protests.

9.) 09 May 2017 22:50:35
When Sam Longston started his I know best at Derby Sir Brian protested, he walked out!

10.) 10 May 2017 03:18:01

Who is to say that the chairman was not just fed up with his toy.

When you are a manager doing a decent job you have some semblance of power by being prepared to walk out, Clough knew he could make a decent living wherever he decided to go, be it in football or whatever else he turned his hand to.

Fans are just an insignificant byproduct of owning a club.

11.) 10 May 2017 06:25:19
Don't get to excited yet Wisheyeddove according to Companies House Fawaz is still the owner and the deal has not gone through yet. This Greek guy has a lot to prove to the Football League before he can get his hands on our beloved Forest.

12.) 10 May 2017 08:50:06
Agreed Bezman. So far we have had promises from Fawaz that he will, is, has sold the club, but as yet no confirmation that is the case. First things first.

13.) 10 May 2017 14:25:35
Well if fans are just insignificant part of a football club, I'll give up now!

14.) 10 May 2017 16:29:12

Please tell us all :

When on Boxing Day some teams have to travel huge distances, are the fans considered.

When some broadcasting companies change games days, and times at short notice, are the fans considered.

If you wrote, emailed, or phoned the club asking to see someone to discuss something to improve the club, would you be seen.

15.) 10 May 2017 16:48:39
Good point to be fair
Best just to watch the team, have a good day with your mates and keep out of the politics of the club.

16.) 10 May 2017 18:36:37
Some on here saying Fawaz problems have been caused by listening to Gobby fans, others saying fans are irrelevant, you can't have it both ways .
I don, t know one fan who, s happy with the last five years so people are bound to moan but only because things have far beyond what most fans are prepared to tolerate, it, s just been one ba--s up after another and the owner carrying blindly on, no doubt he was still signing players right up to the Jan transfer window, more poor signings .
Most fans I know would be happy just to follow a well run club who do their best and try to fulfill fans hopes, we all know you can't win em all.

17.) 10 May 2017 19:30:27
Carlo but in a way they have both got a point.
To me especially this season this group of players have let us down, after all they are the ones who go on the pitch and Wear the shirt.
They seem to think it's OK to turn it on when it suits and this is a very unforgiving league, you can't do that.
We have a small nucleus of players worth keeping, the rest need to go, they are not up to the job.
This group have cost at least three managers their jobs and as I said before the Ipswich game I left at the final whistle as I don't think they deserve adulation for nearly getting us relegated.
MW hopefully has identified the ones with no bottle for a scrap and will ship em out.
They collectively won the award for the worst forest Away side in 90 years.
So while Fawaz was clueless in how to run the club and I offer no defence for that, the buck stops with the players, they are paid handsomely by the club, the least they could do is wear the shirt with pride and give 100% even in defeat.



20 Apr 2017 22:33:20
I have nothing personal against Jordan Smith, I just don't think he is good enough yet to be our keeper. He was brought in by Gary Brazil, who had a vested interest in playing academy players.

Ask two questions: if Jordan had not renewed his contract a few weeks ago, how many Championship clubs would have snapped him up?

What are the chances that when we have a goalkeeper crisis we discover that our 4th choice keeper at the beginning of the season, a player that has been at the club for over nine years, just happened to be a Championship standard goalkeeper all along?

If he plays the last three games, I wish him well, but his lack of height invites shots and crosses.

1.) 20 Apr 2017 22:54:48
This is why we are such a united team with negative crap like this.
He has been drafted in and has been excellent but still gets critasised.

Truth is we keep losing 1-0 and as a team at the bottom we are easy picking so conceding one goal per game is not the problem. Not scoring ourselves is more a concern.

Let's give the young players support not critasism.

2.) 20 Apr 2017 22:59:51
I really hope Jordan does not read this forum? He has not let the team down. We have had a season of interference in squad assembling and poor tactics despite having a quality squad!

3.) 20 Apr 2017 23:16:53
Understand what you saying but we have no. option
Stoikovic is a total joke
To be honest Shilton wouldn't want to play behind this back four no matter what permutation
Only time we look solid was back three against Huddersfield
Think we should acept we can't defend and a new goalkeeper will. make no difference
When we say unlucky to lose games one nil we had our luck to get three points against Newcastle and villa over a season that evens out
Let's just hope that MW has learnt about this squad he's inherited and goes against his principles and plays two up front, I'm more concerned about the lack of goals than the goalkeeper.

4.) 21 Apr 2017 06:29:42
Young keepers come in and do well and people still give them a pounding for it. evtimov was the same made a few cracking saves but let one in and he's not good enoigh, now smith who was thrown in at the deep end and has done as well as we could of expected yet still gets grief for it. you can't develop as a player unless managers give you a chance to develop and show what your about, peter Shilton was 6ft tall did his height worry you?

5.) 21 Apr 2017 07:18:48
To be fair to Jordan he's only 100% better than Stojkovic and Henderson is injured - at the start of the season everyone wanted Henderson out! In the words of the poison dwarf 'it is what it is' Jordan smith is a good keeper in my opinion.

6.) 21 Apr 2017 14:55:22
sorry, but Smith is better than De Vries and that's coming from a fellow keeper. He's be excellent. He kept us in a few games - especially Derby at CG. He could have done better for the Blackburn goal, but that's it. Vent you frustration at the weak centre backs or lack of creativity in midfield, not at the best keeper we've had since Darlow.

7.) 21 Apr 2017 19:31:00
How many crosses did de vries come for whilst playing for us? never commanded his box by catching a cross or a corner. yet people were angry when we let him go. he was a good shot stopper but hardly ever caught a cross or came for a corner.

8.) 21 Apr 2017 21:26:06
Smith has only conceded on average a goal a game compared to 1.75 goals per game before he came in?

We have a good keeper!

Our problem is a weak midfield attacking the touchline and not the goal!

For all our sanity when is a midfielder going to just look up SHOOT and hit the target?

9.) 21 Apr 2017 22:09:31
So much for the best balanced squad we've put together in years then?
Anyway let's hope we can keep a clean sheet and at least a point, preferably 3 and don't care how ugly it looks anything to stay in championship.
Can't go tomorrow as have a weekend away with some brummie friends, he's city fan he's more worried than us as like he says they could be in Bottom three sat night .
Have radio on though and will be at QPR so 3 points tomorrow please and make my trip to QPR a bit less stressful.
So come on you tricky trees kick sum ass and give the supporters a win that they deserve.
Enjoy your day lads, wish I could be there.

10.) 22 Apr 2017 16:02:42
Nothing wrong with the squad it's the way they are all coached to a playlist and not allowed to express themselves!

11.) 22 Apr 2017 22:29:36
Shilts was never a keeper that used to come for crosses. In all fairness, I can't remember many keepers that do these days. When you have a couple of big centre halfs in front of you, it's asking for trouble coming out trying to catch balls over their head.



20 Apr 2017 11:03:55
I hear Ben Osborn's Dad has taken to twitter to warn us 'that we will miss him when he has gone. '

Much as I like young Ben and believe he has a bright further in the game, I don't think Forest would miss him if he went. If we got the £4 million being touted I would again think that good business.

Ben's greatest asset is his fitness, he will run forever. In a game he will cover every blade of grass. When though was the last time you saw Ben go into a tackle and come out with the ball? When did you see him burst from midfield to start an attack or thread a ball through for another forward to score?

In an era when James Milner has over 70 England caps, I guess just being fit is good enough. Or maybe that is what is wrong with England too. Good professional fit players who do nothing but run around.

Benny if you do leave, do yourself a favour, spend a few training sessions watching what David Vaughan does when his ageing legs get him into the action areas. You still have a lot to learn son and if your Dad thinks otherwise he is giving you bad advice.

Tony Woodcock went to Lincoln on loan once upon a time, realised how well off he was at Forest and came back a far better person and player.

1.) 20 Apr 2017 11:48:50
My feelings exactly, Ben has no end product, a cross, pace to beat a man, a through ball, a finish. His pass completion stats are very good because he is world class at passing the ball to the left back!

2.) 20 Apr 2017 12:46:06
He'll still be first on the team sheet on Saturday wether we like it or not
But the match day squad picks itself because he won't play any of the loan players so if we do drop him it's who we bring in for him
Bit confused about manciene cus he'll be on the bench and if we get an injury in defence he'd have to come on thus opening the clause in his contract, are we sure he has an option in his contract that stated yesterday?

3.) 20 Apr 2017 12:59:22
If Ben Osborn is going to the Premiership the minimum fee is £10m for a squad player!

I think he would shine with better players around him but he still will not score enough goals, move the ball quickly enough and get bullied in the centre of the park to be a top class player.

He is not our new Andy Reid and never will be!

4.) 20 Apr 2017 15:56:50
I don't agree with any of this at all. Osborn is one of the players we should base the next Forest team around. We will miss him badly if he goes, and he will succeed elsewhere, despite all the banal and silly comments on Twitter etc.

5.) 20 Apr 2017 18:18:09
Bsered- I hope you've included those silly comments that apparently came from his father?

6.) 20 Apr 2017 19:43:15
If he's not playing centrally he shouldn't be in the team. Never been a wide player never will be.

7.) 20 Apr 2017 19:59:17
Osborn is our top assister this season and has created the most chances of anyone in the squad.
People moaning about him not passing forwards (his stats are 50% forward) but if there's no players to pass to in space you play the way your facing.

8.) 20 Apr 2017 20:57:01
Stats can hide a lot of things. He may well have stats of 50 per cent forward but that doesn't show how difficult or creative the pass was. The goalkeeper probably has a near 100 per cent forward pass rate but it doesn't make him the next iniesta!

9.) 20 Apr 2017 22:12:23
On Osborn playing centrally you either have to be very gifted with that stature or have a nasty streak or a bit of both.
In this day of modern football it is near impossible not to get suspended playing in midfield, but he dosent because he dosent do 50/ 50 challenges.
So therefore dose not get booked and he hasn't got the ability to split defences and is not exactly a goal threat so to me only one place in the side at the moment and that's left wing.
The great robbo thought he was a central midfielder till cloughy told him different and the rest is history
So unless he can add a goal threat or a nasty streak can't see him progressing.

10.) 20 Apr 2017 23:03:14
If he was good at geometry he would be a world beater. It cannot be everyone else's fault if he cannot play a striker in?



15 Apr 2017 10:00:17
The game today made me fear relegation even more, because the game reminded me so much of our last spell in Division one.

Blackburn, yes they were playing as well, produced a classic City Ground away performance.

Often with 10 men behind the ball, they wasted time from the first minute and gave the impression they were happy with a 0:0 draw. Then with the crowd on the home teams back, with frustration levels at maximum, they hit us with the sucker punch.

Mowbray, never a manager to send out entertaining teams, was in his element.

Yes Forest were not as sharp, because they were not allowed to be. Every time Forest tried to insert some momentum to the game, Blackburn stifled it.

All it need was a referee who thought that the 26,000 crowd had come to watch him and the nightmare scenario was complete.

If we survive the drop, I am sorry Jordan, but the first thing we need is a goalkeeper. Jordan Smith is a great lad, but is simply not big enough. I have not seen a replay of their goal, but headers should not be scored from corners from that close range.

Cardiff will attack on Monday. It will be tough but that game will suit another Huddersfield performance.

1.) 15 Apr 2017 11:26:31
Wish how did you rate shilton as a goalkeeper?
What keeper would you bring in that's big enough to stop all goals from corners?

2.) 15 Apr 2017 12:47:09
Fat Albert or Dennis Russo.

3.) 15 Apr 2017 13:12:39
Bobby mimms.

4.) 15 Apr 2017 13:24:25
Mr Creosote.

5.) 15 Apr 2017 14:36:35
Mr. Blobby.

6.) 15 Apr 2017 15:25:49
With the greatest respect to yourself and to Jordan Smith, there is only one Peter Shilton and no goalkeeper before or since has come close to matching him.

Jordan is still learning his trade and may one day be a Championship goalkeeper, he should not be doing so in a relegation threatened Forest first team. IMHO

His lack of height may not turn out to be an issue, right now his lack of experience is! He is nowhere near international standard, which begs the question, how is he keeping the current Bulgarian goalkeeper out of the team?

7.) 15 Apr 2017 18:03:58
Albert Iremonger .6,6"

8.) 15 Apr 2017 20:03:18
You said he simply isn't big enough! which suggests you think his height and stature isn't big enough to be a keeper or a good keeper. now you go onto his experience! sounds like your backtracking to me. next season he will have a half season ish of experience behind him to crack on and improve next season. the only way he will get better is playing championship football behind the players at the club he plays for so he gets to gel with them and they gel with him.

9.) 15 Apr 2017 20:18:29
Jordan Smith 6'2"
Karl Darlow 6'1"
Dorus de Vires 6'1"
Lee Camp 6'1"
Stephen Henderson 6'2"

I suggest that height is a non issue its about talent and mobility?

10.) 15 Apr 2017 21:04:23
Beg to differ Wisheydove Steve Sutton was a very good keeper!

11.) 15 Apr 2017 20:51:21
Why do some blokes always add a couple of inches on?
Peter Shilton 6,1
Peter Grummitt 5,10
Gordon Banks 5,11

12.) 15 Apr 2017 23:09:23
Hans Van Breukelen was next best came very close to Shilton
Had the pleasure of meeting him again last year at a 150th anniversary evening and he isn't the tallest but great goalkeeper.

13.) 16 Apr 2017 00:11:01
Ray Clemence was a superb keeper, can't believe he isn't mentioned! Must be my age!

14.) 16 Apr 2017 01:19:13
Chris Woods was up there and we should have kept him!

15.) 16 Apr 2017 02:04:01
What about BIG Nev Southall! Took a bloody brave striker to take him on one on one at close quarters.

16.) 16 Apr 2017 10:25:51
We have plenty of goalkeepers, no point in buying another, there are other priorities.

17.) 16 Apr 2017 11:11:58
Makes me laugh we put so much emphasis on the youngsters and the academy and then try to push one of them backwards rather than stick with him, some fans attitudes are very similar to the current owner who they slate. As a club we need to decide on a way forward and stick with it-some of our fans will not accept that though and unfortunately that is one of the reasons why we will always be a disjointed club.

18.) 16 Apr 2017 11:26:04
Jordan Smith is actually 6 ft not 6ft 2 lol, he's not exactly small. again people not giving a good young keeper a chance, then these same people will moan about selling how best young players velios has a better strike rate than brereton does this mean the later isn't good enough to play in front of velios? I think not.

19.) 16 Apr 2017 15:18:11
Smith has been bought in at a sticky point in the season and for a young lad like that to come in and do as well as he has with no massive mistakes against his name suggests that he is a very good keeper in the making. fans not giving him a chance again proves how bad some fans are.

20.) 16 Apr 2017 18:22:55
Well said utf wasn't his fault for the goal and he's saved us more than once since he came in
Any one who prefers stoikovic needs their heads looking at the guys made more mistakes than a little he's a joke.



01 Apr 2017 11:02:16
Assombalonga has made a remarkable recovery from his horrendous injury. I seriously thought his career was over when I saw a picture of the post operation scar.

There is little wrong with his fitness. His current goal drought is purely down to the lack of service he is getting. It is no good firing long balls up at him, he is not that type of centre forward. Create him chances in and around the penalty area he will put them away.

Britt is not missing chances: the chances aren't being created for him. I would still like to see him and McCormack giving more game time together. Either start the game with them or finish the game with them it doesn't matter which. I just see McCormack as the player with the guile to create chances and score them. Start with Clough and Brererton tell them to give 100% for an hour then send on Assombalonga and McCormack.

If Brererton is jaded play Vellios and Clough.

If Mills is fit, I would start with him as the right sided centre back and Fox as the left sided centre back.

I would also go with experience in midfield, with Ward on the right, Mancienne and Vaughan in the centre and Cohen on the left.

Tough on the kids, but if they are good enough they will come back. These are tough times and it is time to play a team for now, not a team for the future. If we want that future to be in the Championship next season we need our most experienced players.

1.) 01 Apr 2017 22:11:51
Agree to a point. However, Mills cannot play the ball out from defence?

Clough is our only creative midfielder who plays the ball forward.

Your default team selection have no pace and so have to play the ball all over the back 2/ 3 rds of the pitch and cannot release the best 4 strikers in the division!

Warbo will find the correct balance for each match.

2.) 02 Apr 2017 09:08:04
Harsh on Worrall as well to accommodate Mills.

3.) 02 Apr 2017 09:43:12

I do not want Mills playing the ball out of defence. He is a head it, kick it, tackle it type of centre half. I would pick him because he has more experience than Worrall, who plays the same type of game. By the same token I would pick Hobbs, if fit, ahead of Mills.

I agree with you about Clough, I see he made the goal for Assombalonga yesterday. I personally think McCormack could unlock defences too.

I also agree with your comment about lack of pace in my selection although Ward is no slouch. Osborn and Cash are not greyhounds though for young lads they are a bit one paced.

I personally like Carayol at least he can be relied on to get past his fullback. Even if his crossing is inconsistent. The only other man in the squad with any pace is Pereira and I would have him around as an impact player.

We start every game between now and the end of the season with a point. With an experience first 11 we have a good chance of keeping that point and sneaking the odd win.

The kids will have their day, but this is not the time to be building for the future. For the same reason Smith needs replacing with an emergency loan signing or bringing back Stojkovic.

4.) 02 Apr 2017 13:35:56

Mills is vocal, and experienced but he ponders for too long as what to do with the ball.

Although he scores every now and again he also costs us games every now and again.

I would not be surprised to see him leave in the summer.

5.) 03 Apr 2017 06:39:55
Mills is one of our worst defenders. gives the ball away constantly with 50yard hoof it passes to our strikers given the opponents chance to start another attack. he is caught out of position many times in a game which the full back or other cb have to cover for which leaves big gaps. he has a bad error in him every game and at this point in this season we really do not need that, also he has no pace at all.
Worrall has made a few errors since his inclusion but I would still prefer him over mills any day.




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15 Dec 2017 10:26:56

Thank fornication for that;)

1.) 15 Dec 2017 12:13:05
Can't beat a bit of drunken fornication on a Saturday night.

2.) 16 Dec 2017 10:02:59
I always got more pleasure not being drunk.

3.) 16 Dec 2017 12:29:17
After my works Christmas Do. I came home the let's say,very tipsy. my wife said "your drunk!!" I said "you having a laugh?? Right that's it!!! As soon as the door comes around again I'm leaving!!!" 😂😂😂



13 Dec 2017 16:24:48
It takes a particular type of person to put their head above the parapet and air their views.
It is the same in the ground. Most people are happy to sing Mull of Kintyre and then watch the match.

Mouthy fornicators only differ from the rest of society because they air their views in public. Also, as in society at large, the views of the mouthy fornicators vary massively. You get the positive mouthy fornicators and negative mouthy fornicators.
The one overwhelming fact about mouthy fornicators is they are a minority. By nature they make a lot of noise, but they are only a few in number.

Frustrating as it can be on forums like this to hear all the negativity, or negative reaction to a positive post. It is always a comfort to realise that even on this site, those negative mouthy fornicators number less than 20.

In the crowd on a Saturday, you look next time you go, it is only the odd person who insists on being negative even when we are winning.
The press, Paul Taylor is a fornicator for it, gauge public opinion based on what they see on social media sites. Failing to realise that it is only cocky mouthy for icators who feel empowered enough to post their thought online or call into local radio stations.

Adding to the confusion are the really sad fornicators who actually support a rival club. They have so little going on in their sad little lives, they think it is clever to come onto a site like this to talk testicles about Forest with no other purpose than to wind up the gullible.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to to you all.
Remember Santa is a Reds fan

1.) 13 Dec 2017 21:36:31
According to your analysis Brian Clough would have been a mouthy fornicator. Happy Christmas Wishey.

2.) 13 Dec 2017 22:21:01
Know where your coming from whishey.
I sit near a couple of mouthy ones,we call them the coaches,never happy,only shut up when they really pee me off and I tell them or take the pee out of them.
I'd move,but got a great seat and what I've never understood is,if your not enjoying a tv programme you switch it over? Well I would.
If I didn't like watching forest,I'd stop going.
I certainly wouldn't go just to lambaste players or the manager and spoil someone else's enjoyment.
But in conclusion were all different and have different ways of expressing ourselves,not always to everyone's liking,but it would be boring if we all thought the same.
This site wouldn't exist if we all agreed.
Merry Xmas whishey it's only banter.🎄🎄🎅🎅

3.) 14 Dec 2017 09:06:28
100% agree Bsered

But Sir Brian was a mouthy fornicator, who knew what he was talking about!

4.) 14 Dec 2017 09:21:38
Great post "Wishey" and yeah,and I think your right about the "Rogue" posters. definately ain't me!!!



10 Dec 2017 15:52:53
How annoying is that Mark Warburton fellah?
Every time the negative brigade starts to build up a real negative vibe, he goes and wins a game of football.
I mean, at this rate the irritating little man will keep his job an entire season. Doesn’t he realise this is Nottingham Forest.

1.) 10 Dec 2017 16:14:06
He could be breaking with tradition, that makes a change.

2.) 10 Dec 2017 17:04:37
Watching the highlights and BOLTON had a few free headers from the centre of our box hmmmmm some things never change. Good result and happy with that tho!!!!

3.) 10 Dec 2017 17:20:07
Half a season is a long time at the. CG ,remember SOD !

4.) 10 Dec 2017 18:31:25
Nobody picked up Buckley running into the box. Manc was nearest to him and did nothing, and Worral didn't know what to do with the cross he headed in because the goalie was nowhere. We still cannot defend.

5.) 10 Dec 2017 19:01:23
MW will survive because.
1. Plenty of teams worse than us.
2. Owners have a mid to long term vision.
3. Our academy is producing and MW is clever enough to use them. He can't lose.
4. Senior players either accept his way or are frozen out, so no dressing room unrest.
5. When it works, the football is very good, when it doesn't he has the text book excuses.
6. The fans have returned in numbers, if and only if that changes will he be gone before the summer.
He's not perfect, still unsure if he is the long term answer but I think we'll have to take the good and the bad. All my opinions and I welcome others because that's what footy is all about. FTID.

6.) 10 Dec 2017 19:34:00
He will survive scouse and so he should for now. With new additions as well we will progress. I think there are players who are playing every week right now that would not be playing if he’d have been permitted to sign 12 new players close season. I still don’t he can choose 11 players that he’s entirely happy with. I’d be happy for us to cash in on Osborn if there is a big offer for him and let MW spend it on his jigsaw. I don’t believe any of the other young players would fetch big bucks just yet. What’s you veiws on the football scouse ? You enjoying it?

7.) 10 Dec 2017 19:50:04
Yes and no, hugely frustrating at times. Having played football for 32 years, never booked, I know a thing or too about clever defending, positioning and reading the game. Some of the defensive play we've seen under MW is shocking. I can't believe an accomplished defender as David Weir can't train them to be a more disciplined unit? My main concern is the lack of communication, a leader and an organizer. I was always accused of talking a good game and with my southern accent, would wind up the scousers. But do you know what? I believe I helped get more from the players in my team and that extra 5% helps you win derbies, cups and leagues. There should be 11 captains on the pitch for me but the pandered modern day footballer won't or can't. That squad is under performing imo and as a long suffering fan, I want more. MW step up to the plate please. FTID

8.) 10 Dec 2017 20:47:08
I don’t think he’s happy with the majority of his back 5 mate but can only you know what with what he’s got. I think Traore is the defender who scares me the most he just always looks like he has a calamity in him. Do you think we are playing good football? Apart from isolated moments and a couple of games where it’s clicked I’m not that impressed with it are you?

9.) 11 Dec 2017 15:39:30
Lucky enough to get down for the QPR game, apart from that relying on highlights so far. I can see what MW is trying to do but feel he's asking most of them to run before they can walk. My frustrations include being too easy to score against, to lightweight to battle the bully clubs (progress v Bolton)and a tad wasteful with our chances. Better than last year but a long way off from where this squad should be. Let's wait for a little tweaking in the Jan window and see where we are, after the next lot of daunting fixtures.😲

10.) 11 Dec 2017 20:21:23
QPR was a very enjoyable game mate.

11.) 11 Dec 2017 22:03:30
Can you get down to a few more please scousedreduck,4 nil every time will do for me 😀😀

12.) 11 Dec 2017 22:05:24
Surreal, I picked a good one.👍

13.) 11 Dec 2017 22:10:50
You and me both, need to wear my lucky pants more often too.😀 Shift work and child care, hoping to get to the CG over Xmas.👍

14.) 11 Dec 2017 22:41:41
I see your predictive text works as well.😀😀😀



10 Dec 2017 09:05:41
A good hard fought win. With four of our home-grown batch of talent playing a vital part.
Worrall was rightly Man on the Match, but Osborn, Walker and Brererton all made great contributions. I was surprised to see Osborn substituted.
If anything yesterday gave a perfect example of why we should not play route one football. We do not have the players to play that way and when we tried to play that way it resulted in us losing the ball.

A long pass is fine, speculative punt up the pitch is not.
Another encouraging sign again yesterday was the strength of our bench.
A good three points and more experience for a great crop of young talent.
Passing is the key short or long

1.) 10 Dec 2017 11:03:56
Hopefully we will make the right additions in Jan to enable us to mix it up a bit and get a set of players who can diversify and adapt to different tactics.

These players appear to only be able to play one way and there not consistent at doing it well either I can’t see how they will ever be good enough to be anything other than mid table , no issue with that this season.

Whatever tactics are deployed in the future I’d suggest at least six players will be needed to get any consistency

2.) 10 Dec 2017 11:14:40
Great post Wishy couldn't agree more. Good to see a bit of pace down the flanks Walker was always a threat.Bridcutt was man of the match for me did a lot of work defensively and found time to slot Brereton in for his goal when everyone else was tiring.The long ball should only be used when there's nothing else on and we need to clear our lines (like Mancienne last week v Ipswich should have done!). All in all a good win against a team that looked twice our size. I remember when I played rugby as a young man we used to measure the size of our opponents in comparison to our biggest player a Welsh lad called Geraint.So their prop for example was one and a half Geraints. Likewise Bolton were all at least one and a quarter Murphy's!

3.) 10 Dec 2017 11:59:58
Just out of interest 2Star which 6 players would you bring in and which 6 players would they replace?

Would the 6 players you plan to bring in replace any of the players involved yesterday?

4.) 10 Dec 2017 12:18:53
I think we need:
A keeper, a CB, centre midfielder, left back, and striker. Only five not six. I don’t share your view that there were positive signs yesterday. That said I’ve no isssue with a nothing season bit feel we need to get some additions but. And use the 2nd half of the Season to build for next year.
I think there are a few camps on here but two ibsloy are .
Those accepting it is work in progress but convince themselves it’s coming together

THose who accept it’s work in progress but struggle to see how the current tactics and collection of players will move us forward in future seasons

5.) 10 Dec 2017 13:10:49
So 2 Star
You see no improvement this season in Osborn, Smith, Walker, Brererton, or Worrall? I see vast improvement in all 5.
Having said that I do see Hobbs, Vellios and Henderson, leaving and Vaughan playing a less significant role.

As a bit of a curve ball I would not be surprised to see Cummings returning north of the border, especially with the emergence of Walker.

6.) 10 Dec 2017 13:23:52
Sorry wishey, I didn’t answer your question about who I’d bring in. That’s the managers job to find players who can improve us where we have obvious weaknesses. After almost a year in the job and sticking quite rigidly to a way of playing I would hope he has a list of targets who can improve the team.

7.) 10 Dec 2017 13:46:06
Players like Murphy, Bridcutt, McKay, Dowell, Cummings, Boukalakis and Darikwa have all improved the strength of the squad. I trust the manager and the man he insisted on bringing in as the head of recruitment to find the player to continue the improvement.
If you can’t see that improvement we see things differently.

8.) 10 Dec 2017 14:01:40

I do not see how Darikwa improves the squad, and as good as Dowell is Clough could possibly do his job given the chance.

9.) 10 Dec 2017 14:11:38
Umm think we might be saying the same thing. No issue with who he’s brought in (apart from Darikwa on this seasons offerings) but I think he knows he is only half way there and I’d be very surprised if he doesn’t know what he needs to do next to take us onwards next year. I also think next season many supporters will be disappointed if we aren’t much stronger than we are this season. I’m happy win a season of trial and error but would hope for some identifiable continuous improvement next year or we will be mid table for many seasons.

10.) 10 Dec 2017 15:09:00
Grey and red fan

Darikwa is better going forward than Eric.
Darikwa has made Lichaj is a better player since his arrival.
Darikwa is better than our third choice right back.
He has been here 5 minutes, I am not about to right him off as the flop some of you seem only to quick to label him

11.) 10 Dec 2017 15:22:54

Darikwa may be better going forward than Eric, but Darikwa only knows how to go forward, defensive duties are a after thought for him.

Eric is stronger all round than Darikwa, there is a difference between saying someone has not improved the team, and writing them off, some do take time to settle.

12.) 10 Dec 2017 20:59:54
And Eric is currently outright back



08 Dec 2017 15:00:49
Retford Red
Eric Lichaj is a very good defensive full, Darikwa gives us more pace going forward. If Eric signs a contract I expect Lichaj and Darikwa to be battling it out for the right back spot for a long time to come.




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25 Oct 2017 22:59:52
Is that the same Pinillos who was coming back after his second ACL injury? (Career threatening) Good player but equally as injury prone.



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23 Oct 2017 21:54:21
Not my place to enlighten anyone!

I give my opinion and I am glad Mark Warburton is our manager.

I am glad he is trying to play football from the back, yes! If only a handful of players are happy playing football, then we have the wrong players. I suspect that we have more players happy to pass the ball than you think. Mark Warburton has had one transfer window to change a side that stayed up on goal difference. And our top goal scorer left in that window and made it clear he wanted the move.

I am glad he has a squad and not just 11 first team players. I have also made it clear that at times part of our problem is that some fans are part of the problem.

Good Clubs and teams are built, which is harder to do than it seems on Xbox



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23 Oct 2017 13:21:30
It is most definitely a forum for opinions. Although the mighty Ed does have a powerful role in that.

Mark Warburton took over a team that escaped relegation on goal difference. Eric Lichaj was very much part of that team. He iwas rightly named player of the season. Did we need another right back? Yes we did. Was Lichaj dropped at the beginning of the season, no he was not. He came back from international duties and was behind others in pre season preparation.

Praising Darikwa after Eric’s performance on Saturday was a brilliant piece of man management. Keeping the players who are not in the team is key to our future success.

The purchase of Darikwa has made Eric a better player.

The character assassination of managers is insipid. It starts by dropping his Christian name, then we get the derogatory nickname like ‘the breadman’ We also get posts from the so called ‘come in peace Rangers fans’

Mark Warburton is a very intelligent man. He is trying to turn a crippled club around. He is trying to play football and he is giving younger players a chance. He can only pick 11 in the team and 18 in the squad. We are never all going to agree with his selections, it’s about opinions. But it is time our supported trusted someone and stopped talking the man and his team down.



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23 Oct 2017 10:56:43
I know the point being made I just don’t agree.

There is a disturbing trend on these pages of making out that Mark Warburton does not know what he is doing. That trend has been seen only too often in recent years and ends with a call for the Chairman to sack the manager.

Darikwa is a good full back who as with Players like Carayol and Vellios before him he needs time to settle into the club. If god forbid Eric gets injured before Saturday, we will be glad we have Darikwa.

I could even make a case for playing both Lichaj and Darikwa on the right.

Our mixture of young home grown talent and astute signing has us with the strongest squad in a long time.

If I was a manager with an eye for man management I would be praising Darikwa after his replacement has just been rightly voted man of the match.

As I said earlier something is motivating Lichaj to play out of his skin. In our present mood of manager bashing we don’t want to think that Mark Warburton has anything to do with making Lichaj a better player.



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23 Oct 2017 09:40:45
So is Darikwa injured?

No he is as rested for the last 2 games by our manager.

Am I missing something or did Mark Warburton pick Lichaj for the last 2 games?

We now have 2 very good options at right back. I hope Lichaj stays and again I am sure I have heard Mark Warburton state the club want him to stay.

Lichaj is actually a better full back now because Mark Warburton is encouraging him to get forward more.




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14 Dec 2017 15:58:33

They are a very different side, so are we.

They have home advantage, so they will be favourites.

Can we beat them? We can beat anyone in this league! Simple as!



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14 Dec 2017 09:06:28
100% agree Bsered

But Sir Brian was a mouthy fornicator, who knew what he was talking about!



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10 Dec 2017 20:59:54
And Eric is currently outright back



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10 Dec 2017 15:09:00
Grey and red fan

Darikwa is better going forward than Eric.
Darikwa has made Lichaj is a better player since his arrival.
Darikwa is better than our third choice right back.
He has been here 5 minutes, I am not about to right him off as the flop some of you seem only to quick to label him



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10 Dec 2017 13:46:06
Players like Murphy, Bridcutt, McKay, Dowell, Cummings, Boukalakis and Darikwa have all improved the strength of the squad. I trust the manager and the man he insisted on bringing in as the head of recruitment to find the player to continue the improvement.
If you can’t see that improvement we see things differently.