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06 Dec 2023 08:55:02
Some facts I learnt last night
1. SC does not get on with Marakanis - no surprise there. I suspect 8/ 10 players coming to the club are not his choice
2. Graham Potter will be the next Forest manager.
17 Sep 2021 09:51:08
Our new manager is Steve Cooper? How do I know? Well all I can say is that he has been seen yesterday looking at a house.
1.) 17 Sep 2021 10:18:17
I doesn't matter who our next manager is and I think it's about time people stop blaming the managers.
The club has been a shambles for a long time now and it's clear to me where the problem truly lies.
MARINAKIS OUT!
2.) 17 Sep 2021 11:06:29
Tomo, mate, sadly without Marinakos there wouldn’t be Forest to support . We’d be defunct except for some glorious pages in the history books. Sometimes you have to sup with the devil to survive. 😕.
3.) 17 Sep 2021 12:00:59
I hope he's only looking at short term rental properties Doc.
4.) 17 Sep 2021 16:34:55
Marinakis is keeping the club alive. Be careful what you wish for.
16 Sep 2021 07:19:00
Allegedly Steve Cooper and Alex Neil are in the melting pot . If it's true both will be trying to negotiate for control of player transfers . This is the problem not paying off CH . Big M is not in control, it's the myriad of people in between all wanting to have a finger in the pie . The club is undergoing a slow death due to their decision to sign player after player with 0 pedigree. We will not get either Cooper or Neil if the managers role is simply a coach . I.
1.) 16 Sep 2021 08:27:53
Don’t want any of them underperforming idiots, frying pan, fire.
2.) 16 Sep 2021 08:31:40
Alex Neil was at the game last night. Seems odd that he would come to watch dreary Wednesday game at the CG.
3.) 16 Sep 2021 09:34:47
Noooo! Please NO!
4.) 16 Sep 2021 10:35:23
With you perko, nooo nooo nooo to either. I would rather have clough and pearce. Now that would sort this lot out.
19 May 2021 15:22:08
The successful teams next session will have a nucleus of players who have played together at least one season before . So we have McKenna Worrall and maybe Lawrence Gabriel . So maybe a new left back. Midfield we have Yates and Cafu ( Cafu got a contract last season so someone thinks he is good ) . I guess Brennan Mighten to develop further. So we need a midfield dynamo plus a winger and a forward or two.
1.) 19 May 2021 20:59:54
We need a manager first I'm worried who he will bring in with his tactics.
2.) 19 May 2021 21:02:09
Cafu is a nowhere player. I simply cannot see where his strengths lie. He can't tackle can't head can't shoot, is slow, and his passing forward shocking. get rid.
3.) 19 May 2021 21:54:02
But apart from that, he’s a fantastic player 😂.
4.) 20 May 2021 06:39:18
Perko lol sometimes he did quite well just poncing around looking a little tidy. But when you wear gloves when there's a nip in the air and your meant to be gritty midfielder, you have to be special. Average with NO end product, we need much much better players.
{Ed014's Note - I thought for a minute there you were talking about Paul Pogba! 🤣
5.) 20 May 2021 11:00:14
Agreed Rutland, not good enough. Think he was given a two year contract aswell, who makes these decisions. He offers nothing.
6.) 23 May 2021 20:18:22
Apart from Garner the whole midfield are dross. Get rid of the lot and start again.
7.) 28 May 2021 22:18:41
Id still keep sammy for the bench. Don't care what you lot think. He can change a game, pass or shot. On little wages. Looks lazy and can be. But one of the only players apart from garner sadly i thought could change a game from midfield. Just saying.
8.) 29 May 2021 12:00:01
I’ve got no problem keeping ameobi Bowie, just wish he could unplat his feet and learn to cross a ball.
10 May 2021 21:58:08
Can no one in the FA see the stupidity of the current arrangements between the bottom of the premier league and the Championship. It is an utter disgrace that teams are allowed to yo yo between leagues whilst teams like Brentford have to fight in the playoffs. What's the betting that WBA and Fulham will be promoted next season!
Ed The parachute payments they got season before last surely they don't get again .
{Ed002's Note - They do indeed get them paid again and I agree the system is unfair and the money should be spread out differently but the argument is based on the disparity of income between the two divisions could adversely impact the relegated side - there have been a few examples of clubs falling away in the past.}
1.) 11 May 2021 09:51:36
I think clubs fall way because the chairman takes out after the visit to the prem.
2.) 11 May 2021 14:34:06
The parachute payments are too big and last for too long.
The way forward is to lower the size of the payouts and only one second year at a lower rate to give teams time to reduce their wage bill etc. The clubs will still have an advantage from being able to buy lotts of decent players when in the Prem but will have to release some.
Problem solved. Except it is the Prem clubs who vote on the rules, so they won't change.
3.) 11 May 2021 18:53:48
Surely relegation is there as a punishment for not being good enough, as for a club being adversely affected, clubs need to do what we the general public have to do to when we have financial difficulties, cut their cloth accordingly.
4.) 12 May 2021 11:15:40
If clubs didn't spunk tens of millions after promotion in a desperate attempt to stay in the promised land then they wouldn't need parachute payments. All parachute payments do right now is allow clubs to be more reckless when they go up. They need to be stopped or heavily reduced, especially since the introduction of FFP.
As said above, I can see WBA and Fulham being clear favourites to go straight back up.
5.) 12 May 2021 17:44:44
I think what's wrong as well is that the parachute payment doesn't count towards ffp. Basically a double bonus.
6.) 12 May 2021 18:40:38
It would be better if the parachute payments were put in a pot that was shared out between all of the Championship and the relegated Premier league clubs based on their relative league position with the clubs relegated from championship missing out.
The concentration of cash in the yo - yo clubs is getting worse and as everyone is saying the three favourite next season to go up will be WBA, Fulham and Shef United. And the rest of the clubs cannot compete financial because of FFP.
I am afraid if they don't fix this then the championship will become predictable just like the premier league.
But I don't expect this will change.
7.) 13 May 2021 06:50:53
The EPL should mandate relegation clauses in player contracts reducing/ capping salaries. Some would demand relegation release clauses but that's fair enough. Promoted teams would find it slightly harder to compete in the prem, but they could redistribute parachute payments and make the EFL more competitive.
8.) 18 May 2021 16:58:12
Good post mctavish.
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21 Apr 2024 19:30:37
Alan Taylor and Stuart Attwell must rate as each having very poor reputations. Having both been castigated by the referee association in the past due to refereeing decisions. Resulting in being demoted to a lower division a due to severity of the error of judgment. Our club has a very strong case if this was the first occasion they were involved in the same match. The seriousness of their mistakes today can not be underestimated for our club. They are both culpable as Mr Taylor didn't even call for VAR for any of the three penalty shouts. So Mr Attwell probably thought if Mr Taylor has not even asked for VAR, I am not going to contradict him.
1.) 21 Apr 2024 20:33:46
We were crap n didn't deserve anything.
But that was border line corruption today, that first hand ball embarrassing he moves his arm to the ball then whips it back, he knew it was a pen look at his face
Even scousers saying we were robbed
. then to find out atwell on var is luton fan beyond belief
I'm guessing clattenberg knows 100% he's luton fan because you can't chuck statements like that about otherwise
Could only happen to us
Ps we were still crap today despite the above shouldn't over look that.
2.) 21 Apr 2024 20:35:12
Apparently atwell NEVER refd a luton game either.
3.) 21 Apr 2024 20:56:40
We weren't good enough to score a goal end of, that's down to nuno, he will come out with same excuse to save his job that we were robbed by officials, it becomes boring to hear, yes should have had a pen but did we look like scoring?
No we didn't, did we look like we'd concede? Yes all day long
We have three crap goalkeepers to start with that cost millions
Inexperience in front of him, no leader on the pitch, MGW? If he wants to play for England then you don't miss one on ones like that
We can blame the officials all day long but there is so much more to our failure to win games especially away.
4.) 21 Apr 2024 22:38:22
Bang on DTP. Nothing to add to that.
5.) 21 Apr 2024 22:45:49
Hopefully the top 6 leave after this fiasco to join the European league. F A would be in blind panic.
21 Apr 2024 18:11:13
It is unfair to single out HO, but he cannot cross the ball with his left foot! He always cuts inside about level with the penalty box. He NEVER goes to the byline to centre. I am sorry I don't and never have rated him and nor has any other club he has played for. This is however typical of the player this club can attract. We claim to be a hard done by club re officialdom but we are own worst enemies!
Let's face we won't beat Man City or Chelsea at home. We might draw against the blades and then it's Burnley probably to decide our eventual fate. Last year we had a No1 goal keeper a No 1 striker Tiawo and a No 1 manager. These next 4 matches we have none of these.
1.) 21 Apr 2024 18:59:06
Doc m simple solution play him right side.
2.) 21 Apr 2024 19:08:39
Agreed but he always plays on that side.
3.) 21 Apr 2024 19:25:33
Doc I know because he always does doesn’t make it right, the manager shows no sense at times,
4.) 21 Apr 2024 19:34:05
Agreed…he simply is woeful with his non-committal in his crossing from the bi-line. Always tries to cut in on his right and EVERYONE knows how to neutralise it.
5.) 21 Apr 2024 19:41:59
All day long stevie.
6.) 21 Apr 2024 19:44:04
So who plays him there?
21 Apr 2024 13:14:35
As predicted Mr Dyche knows what he is doing and has played his ace card ie Calvert. We still have two at the back and will not cope with him. Elanga every time should be in the team and offers more than HO. Glad to see Reyna playing. Nuno has as always picked an attacking side. I do not think Everton will sit back and maybe a Cooper tactic of 3 centre backs and catching them on the break is best. The odds are against Everton being relegated for the first time in nearly 70 yrs, and the stats are against us ever winning at Everton. What do I know about football except for my near 70 yrs of watching - probably little. To come away with a point will be a very good result in my eyes.
18 Apr 2024 18:01:58
As this is a football banter site I will banter about the team selection for Sunday !
Murillo as a CDM next to Domingues. Felipe and Niakate at the back. it is salutary to remember who were our successful three central backs at the same time as this last season. Sadly only one of those is left. However there is no doubt that Murillo is a very good player and his value would double if moving to a CDM role was successful. Yates I admire for his work rate and is end to end. However he does not score goals. In the main we rely on Wood and MGW and desperately need more goal scorers. My view is drop HO no assists and very few goals and play Reyna, as I think Reyna is coming along well
So before MM submits my team is
Selz, Williams, Felipe, Niakate, Ainia
Dominguez, Murillo
Reyna Elanga, MGW Wood.
1.) 18 Apr 2024 18:18:07
Yes doc m, Murrillo should be tried playing further up the field. He has so much talent it is not being used to full potential in defence just stopping other teams playing. He would break the net with his shooting if he was allowed to get closer to the opposition goal.
2.) 18 Apr 2024 19:11:10
How many times, he's a frigging CB not a midfielder!
3.) 18 Apr 2024 20:18:13
Red Stripe, mate, Kenny Burns was a frigging centre forward not a centre half! Didn’t do a bad job there did he.
Doc I’ve been saying 3 centre backs for a long time. Unfortunately Felipe and Boly are both in the twilight of their careers and carrying injuries. But these are Nuno calls, it’s what he gets paid the big bucks for! Can’t help thinking we would have conceded less than 22 goals from set pieces with 3 centre backs, plus scored a few more with the wing backs free to bomb forward.
4.) 20 Apr 2024 00:37:41
It's a NOTTINGHAM FOREST banter site doc. Sharing the good and bad throughout life, being good or bad. Btw jump off that f kn cliff.
15 Apr 2024 08:25:56
There is a rumour that Newcastle will bid for MGW. Every player has his price. My major worry is the current recruiting team at the club and the influence the manager might have. Look at what we did with BJs funds. The number of players bought that never played, the salaries that they took with them. The money from MGW will on the past record be completely wasted I always suspected if SC got another job, MGW would follow however all is quiet regarding SC. We shall see but the vultures are gathering.
1.) 15 Apr 2024 08:58:34
Doc we are undoubtedly a very badly run club. Mr M, for all his investment, has spaffed loadsamoney on, at best, mediocre players who have hardly contributed ( Bowler, Mbe So, Dennis etc) or players who are clearly past their best and in the twilight of their careers ( Lingard, Felipe ( although we got one vital season out of him) Turner, Vlach and don't even get me started on Lingard. ) Mr M, with his impetuous nature, has led him to try to run before he can walk. So, abandons the successful model under Dane Murphy ( recruit young, talented players on the rise who can be, if necessary, sold on to balance the books in hand with investment in our Academy. Of course, SC was recruited with this in mind. Mr M is the worst kind of owner in many respects flip flopping between strategies.
I was reminded looking at Wolves on Saturday how they had coped with FFP by selling one or two key players like Jimenez to balance the books then re building. Not only are they comfortably mid table but don’t have any points deductions. That’s how a club should be run in the spectacularly unfair Premiership set up. Proceed with caution and build up slowly and avoid disaster.
I’ll bet if one of the big man’s captains had warned him that one of his super tankers was heading for an ice berg he would have ordered him to change course!
2.) 15 Apr 2024 09:08:31
Good post again Stokey.
A very badly run club. Many awful decisions made and I'm not saying that with hindsight. You could see this mess coming as soon as we got promoted. The owners too over in areas they should leave well alone.
3.) 15 Apr 2024 10:24:11
All money from sales should be spent on Quality defensive players young and experienced midfielder's we have and forward we have if we can keep them, still think Dennis is a good lad if coached properly the finance of the club is nothing to do with us really it's his club he's the owner so definitely have a moan but at the decision's but he's the MAN for now anyway.
4.) 15 Apr 2024 10:30:31
In a word Vrentroz.
CARLO.
5.) 15 Apr 2024 10:41:34
I meant Nunez and Neves, not Jimenez. Gazzi, I personally think we will survive this season with a bit of luck but it will be very very tight, with probably one of the lowest ever points total from the 18th place club. Two wins or even a draw and a win out of the last 5 for us may well be enough.
But it would be ironic if we were relegated by 4 points or less and that would be squarely at Marinkinakos door. Without the deduction we would be on 30 points and reasonably safe with a good buffer. We have an easier run in than Luton I think.
6.) 15 Apr 2024 10:44:16
But Jester we fans and our ancestors and those who come after us are the real emotional and spiritual core of the club. For Mr Marinkinakos it’s just a business opportunity.
7.) 15 Apr 2024 12:36:52
SR no sensible business man would buy a football club. Big M has piled a load of money into our club. However he has a successful shipping business and as all employs others to run this. His mistake is the choice of lieutenants that has been made, who are I believe Europeans. These have been left to run / ruin our precious club by knowing apparently very little about football. There is no doubt in my mind that if SC. had had is way, Garner, Spence and the other 4 loanees would still be on our books and we would be a team even BJ might still be with us. I know and know folks on this site will say we have as a club moved on. True but we are in the mess with FFP because of what happened post promotion. Apparently a scattergun approach resulted in a hugely bloated squad of poor and has been players. Linguard typifies this and he hasn’t changed and obviously a difficult character. Just this one example, who recruited him, if it was SC I will be eating my hat! The Reds are not unique in having these issues but it all comes down to sadly foreign ownership. Luton, if dare I say it are an example of a potentially better run club who punch well above their weight and have kept their team together. I do think we will survive this season but there has to be a big change to ensure we make progress. Sadly I do not think Nuno will be the one to take us forward but the real problem with our club is the back room guys.
8.) 15 Apr 2024 14:17:34
When we won all the cups back in the day I didn't give a toss who owned the club but obviously someone had to pay the wages.
9.) 15 Apr 2024 14:19:34
Liverpool fans getting desperate if they think origi is going to score a winner against man city ??.
10.) 15 Apr 2024 17:05:52
Doc, a good post mate but I’m always amazed how it’s the bosses lieutenants and coaches who get the blame for failure. Surely recruitment is an important part of an owners role? As such he should shoulder some of the blame for our problems.
Marinkinakos personal wealth is estimated at £2.5 billion quid. So, he bought a failing 2nd tier football club from Fawaz for around £50 million. He’s only allowed ( apparently) to invest £35 million a year (£15 million whilst in the Championship ) to cover losses plus probably the same on infrastructure. Getting promotion gets many times that in TV rights ect. So his outlay is basically loose change to him and for that he gets to indulge his football passion/ hobby. To compensate for his ( relatively small) financial losses he gets the kudos, fame and world wide publicity and fame from being a Premier League club owner.
Don’t get me wrong I’m grateful to him for saving our club after the Fawaz era. But to me it seems like a good investment for him and not a philanthropic one. He knows what he’s doing and he’s getting it wrong on so many levels. But, at the end of the day, he will walk away from it and leave us to keep the flame alive and pick up the pieces.
11.) 15 Apr 2024 17:27:21
By the way, Mr M does own several Greek media outlets so being on the World stage rather than just the Greek one will be an enormous asset to him. Particularly as he dabbles in Greek politics. AsI say, it’s a good use of ( peanuts) money for him so perhaps he’s a bit slap dash with it. The uncomfortable truth is that our illustrious club is a rich man’s plaything.
12.) 15 Apr 2024 21:02:07
It takes a while to get things ticking but all we had to do was sign a good keeper - our keepers have cost us 7 points, maybe more.
13.) 15 Apr 2024 22:07:03
Of course the further up the pitch you are the less the mistakes make an impact on the game.
20 Dec 2023 10:23:46
I agree completely, we will be in free fall - championship - League 1.
16 Apr 2023 14:14:02
I don’t think a young inexperienced manager such as Gerrard or Viera have any chance of saving Forest, infact it’s frying pan into the fire. Who did Crystal Palace replace Viera with a 70 yr old. We would be better with a Sam A, Harry, or Benitez.
21 Jan 2023 17:23:41
Chris wood played like Glen Murray today - enough said.
16 Sep 2021 20:28:34
No it’s 1 m and he will save us from relegation.
26 Sep 2020 13:36:24
You can only hope SL wins his next match otherwise this club will loose a lot of its supporters.
21 Apr 2024 19:08:39
Agreed but he always plays on that side.
20 Apr 2024 14:01:11
MM I think we agree. The result depends on whether their striker is fit as he didn’t play vs Chelsea I wonder if Sean Dych deliberately rested him. If he plays on Sunday we need 3 central defenders.
16 Apr 2024 15:29:41
I would put Reyna instead of HO. He does not pass and tries to hard to take on 2 or 3 players. I think if you look at the stats he has no assists and few goals. You can perhaps see why he has failed at a number of clubs. I suspect we signed him on his agents recommendation and maybe the thought SC would get out of him what no one else has.
15 Apr 2024 12:36:52
SR no sensible business man would buy a football club. Big M has piled a load of money into our club. However he has a successful shipping business and as all employs others to run this. His mistake is the choice of lieutenants that has been made, who are I believe Europeans. These have been left to run / ruin our precious club by knowing apparently very little about football. There is no doubt in my mind that if SC. had had is way, Garner, Spence and the other 4 loanees would still be on our books and we would be a team even BJ might still be with us. I know and know folks on this site will say we have as a club moved on. True but we are in the mess with FFP because of what happened post promotion. Apparently a scattergun approach resulted in a hugely bloated squad of poor and has been players. Linguard typifies this and he hasn’t changed and obviously a difficult character. Just this one example, who recruited him, if it was SC I will be eating my hat! The Reds are not unique in having these issues but it all comes down to sadly foreign ownership. Luton, if dare I say it are an example of a potentially better run club who punch well above their weight and have kept their team together. I do think we will survive this season but there has to be a big change to ensure we make progress. Sadly I do not think Nuno will be the one to take us forward but the real problem with our club is the back room guys.
13 Apr 2024 21:53:27
Ok that’s a view for the defence. Now the next important area attack and midfield HO is a talented footballer, but is he a one trick pony? . The number of times he got the ball tried to cut and shoot I lost count of. He did not ever centre the ball from the wing for our top goal scorer.
So I would pick Elanga if fit every time. Reyna played well enough to start again. Origi has absolutely zero confidence and when he got in the position to win the game he faltered and neither tried to score or succeeded with a pass. Yet at one point he nearly went past the whole of the Wolves defence. I think he has had too many chances and failed.
Wood must have been exhausted running about but had no balls sent to him in a scoring position. He is our Tiawo from last season and if we are going to survive he must be given the ball as he will score. Can you replace Yates, he had more shots on goal than anyone else and is always trying to help in defence albeit unsuccessfully, today. Would Domingues be better?