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01 Nov 2018 13:37:07
I'm getting on a bit now (63) and some will no doubt call me a dinosaur. At the Championship level I am really at a loss as to why teams continue to play out from the goalkeeper when being closed down. Whilst many players had bad games at Burton the main problem was the tactic of playing out from the back that Burton put lots of resource into preventing us doing successfully but we continued to do it anyway for the entire 90 minutes.

Goals are scored by and large from the opposition penalty area and within a few yards around it and only the opposition are likely to score when its in your own half so why the fixation of having the ball for so much of the time in your own half just for the sake of trying to keep it. The outcome of the game was so predictable the other night in the sense that space in our own half was so limited we kept giving the ball away. When we had to go long all our players bar one were in our own half so there was no one to win the first ball or pick up the second ball as everyone was so deep.

The tactic was clearly not working and the manager should have seen that and changed it. However he comes from the ever growing "we want to play like Barcelona" school of managers and clearly Championship players are not good enough to do that on a regular basis unless the opposition gives them the space to do so. The point I am trying to make is that the manager must take most of the blame for Tuesday and needs to have a plan B for when the opposition sets up like Burton to stop us playing from the back otherwise there will be more "Burtons" this season.

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01 Nov 2018 13:49:14
Syred spot on mate

01 Nov 2018 14:12:22
Totally agree mate

01 Nov 2018 14:52:02
As said above,spot on there!! If only AK could read it and sort the tactics out😡

01 Nov 2018 14:52:06
Nice post " Old lad"

01 Nov 2018 16:21:08
Syred, your tactics are as old as you!😁 Seriously, the players on the pitch have to know when to 'mix it'. If you're given space, play your 'pretty football'. If you're closed down, go more direct but not straight to their players. The 'long ball' should be in the channels, get their defenders facing their own goal and get Forest up the pitch. Burton played a blinder, forced mistakes and had us defending like nervous kittens on the edge of our box. A recipe for disaster. As someone pointed out Appiah would've been a perfect player to turn defence into attack. FTID.

01 Nov 2018 16:23:06
All makes sense you old dinasaur!! 🤣 Your age is irrelevant mate - keep posts like that coming and with a bit of luck more will think that way 👍

01 Nov 2018 23:08:12
Great post but Barca don’t pay one up front all the bloody time.

02 Nov 2018 00:29:56
If it was under 10s football then I would agree but I'm sure Steele, Dawson, Hefele and Watson have enough footballing experience between them to know whether to play or hoof it. They just played rubbish. All of them.

02 Nov 2018 13:19:07
The point is they didn't 😐.

01 Nov 2018 12:43:04
Tuesdays game was truly awful !
Most on this site would probably agree that I tend to be mostly positive but I’m starting to wobble
I’ve mentioned before that I think that our midfield players generally aren’t good enough
So I cannot understand why with Colback out for Saturday why AK didn’t play Yacob we all know what Watson can do and he’s not good enough
Just a little worried worried

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01 Nov 2018 15:47:07
If he plays the right team Saturday redfred we will stuff them and I'm hoping that happens as I'm over Sheffield from tonight visiting in laws so going to be surrounded by blades fans all weekend

01 Nov 2018 11:37:21
It won't happen but we should go 442
Against sheff Utd
Pants
Janko Dawson figs Robinson
Cash colback geddy lolley
Murphy grabbon
Don't even entertain Portuguese lads. Game will be too physical.

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01 Nov 2018 11:40:05
More chance of winning the lottery

01 Nov 2018 12:47:02
Colback is suspended.

01 Nov 2018 12:55:01
Yacob then if colback suspended.
Watson too slow

01 Nov 2018 14:34:10
Watson will play on Saturday whether we want him to or not.

01 Nov 2018 15:03:08
Colback is back ain’t he? Served his 1 match Tuesday?

01 Nov 2018 15:29:29
AK will use Darikwa on the right, but won't shift from using Guediora and Watson in midfield. I agree I'd like to see Yacob start, but he'll be on the bench. Appiah should start and Grabban come on when he's tired but that won't happen either. I'd have Osborn in the hole behind Appiah/Grabban but that is unlikely too. Looks like Soudani will be absent again. I'd love a win, feel we might lose, most likely outcome a point.

01 Nov 2018 11:34:31
Don't really care what team AK goes for on Saturday because no matter what team he picks it won't suit us all. What I want and most fans want to see is not a bit, but a lot of PRIDE and passion, hopefully a result, then most of us fans will be able to forgive them for Tuesday nights inept performance.

Us forest fans surely deserve that.

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01 Nov 2018 09:22:28
Jack Marriott starting to look a player at Derby after a slow start. Maybe the barracking big Barry got on here May have Been a tadge unfair!

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01 Nov 2018 11:42:01
Grabban or marriot proven unproven was a big risk to take at the money they wanted off us still think we made right choice

01 Nov 2018 11:54:07
Not many years in Grabban ,lots in Marriott and if we hadn,t wasted money in other areas with a bit of dealing maybe could have purchased both.
Clapham on Team talk last night taking about his time withAK ,lthink the word dogmatic is very appropriate to weigh him up.
CARLO

01 Nov 2018 12:38:54
Agree with that could of gone for both plus more had we not invested 13 million on one player that's probably worth 2-3 million now

01 Nov 2018 14:08:34
Skeg, I good with Grabban too mate I was more referring to perhaps he is the player big Baz said he was

02 Nov 2018 00:36:28
Grabban's got a new fan club 😂 Zero to hero 🤣

01 Nov 2018 08:56:23
What a contrast. Did any reds watch the chelsea match lastnight? I did mainly to watch how Derby set up under lampard. 4 3 3 the system laughed at by many on here early season. A system that that encourages angles and space to pass forward into. Attack to defence very quickly. A system thwt you can quickly change to 4 4 2 or 4 5 1 when defending a lead. Derby had a blend of experience older fellas and youth. All but one including the bench british players. They were strong and very mobile and always looked like scoring against a decent chelsea side. The team has in large has been together for a while but some of the older players different managers would have shifted out.
We are light years away from this under AK as he shipped out some decent players without giving them a chance. A complete overhaul by AK with players no better than what we had or have. I may get pelters for this post but after tuesday i am still confused as to what AK is doing to the playing squad.

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01 Nov 2018 09:53:08
I agree what have dias and concalves got that Jamie ward didn't, is hefele better than worrell, is jc doing a better job than tomlin, would Eric get in this team . Yes, I am worrying he has wasted a lot of money now, let's just hope it all comes good what else can we do

01 Nov 2018 10:36:36
Some of the players targeted for their performances are only on loan so if they don't improve will be gone.
Ward was always injured and due partly to age took forever to recover. Worral is out on loan gathering experience. He should come back a better player than he was before he left.
Hefelle is a reasonable squad man.
who have we shipped out that is better than we replaced them with ?
Just interested

01 Nov 2018 11:15:51
Trentender, we haven’t but equally we’ve not overly bettered them either just now, so I see where the comment is based. I think there is perhaps better players that could have been procured than the ones we’ve got, I agree that they are certainly no worse than what we had before. The constant clamour for Joe Worral can’t be from regular attendees last season, he was absolutely dreadful and wasn’t ready, he will come back to us a much better player surely that’s win / win isn’t it? I get the frustration but we seem to be picking at every decision even the right ones . Best not to compare us to Derby as they are well ahead of us , while we’ve been avoiding relegation and bound by FFP they’ve been competing in the top 6. Lampard was always going to be a great manager, irrespective of how much it hurts to say Derby are well ahead of us in every way.

01 Nov 2018 11:55:10
Trentender i am more focussed on the formation and players to suit it. 4 5 1 you need a big quick centre forward, midfielders running beyond the striker and an absolute rock solid back four. Our turgid 4 5 1 is dreadful to watch. We just do not have the personelle to make function.
As for players. Ward was not always injured and never even got on the pitch under AK. Mckay was a great prospect but maybe did not suit the formation but in a 4 3 3 he could have been brilliant. Cummings had a cool head and was arrogant and though a tad slow was a good player and of course tomlin would have been great for us. My point like 2star is nothing brought in for shed loads of cash and wages is any better, in my opinion slightly worse. For me mckay or carvalaho? Mckay all day.

01 Nov 2018 15:29:41
Think you,ll find AK sets up 4 2 3 1 .
CARLO

01 Nov 2018 21:45:31
Carlo splitting hairs 2 holding are part of a 5 man midfield.

02 Nov 2018 00:42:46
Rams did look good against Chelsea but I also remember they lost to Bolton and Rotherham.

31 Oct 2018 21:43:13
Who really cares about the cup? Get behind the manager and the team for promotion. No team is on it every game, it's a long season. COYR.

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31 Oct 2018 23:11:10
I get wat your saying pal but it would have been Middlesbrough next round with a gud chance of a semi final appearance. A long time since that happened pal not since cloughie days have we really been a decent cup team a bit of nostalgia I know but nice all the same. We got a big squad and we have so because our gaffer says it's to meet the demands of a long season surely that includes all possible competitions not just the league. So our big capable squad didn't show up and got humbled again, getting beat I can take it's the manner of the defeat that grates me. Same against Leeds yes we defended well but we wudnt have had to defend so much if we didn't keep giving them the ball back and could pass 2 yards. So a big result needed Saturday because that's only one gud game we have played in 5.

31 Oct 2018 23:18:49
Red dog - it would be nice to perform occasionally though? Without looking at results , how many games have we even looked like a well coached professional side? It’s not many

01 Nov 2018 08:48:19
A good cup run can give a good feeling around the club and help build momentum, think how much better derby will be feeling about their performance last night they went for it played well and although ultimately lost to 1 of the best clubs in Europe they went out with honour we on the other tried to nick it with what amounted to a reserve team and were played of the park and humiliated on national tv by a 3rd division team which club will have a better feeling around it going into the weekend??

01 Nov 2018 09:25:25
Maybe the 1600 who paid good money to go and support the team ?

31 Oct 2018 21:42:19
Derby gave it a real go. Fair play to them and Lampard.
If that had been Kranky we would have defended for 90 mins with 26% possession and lost 5.0.

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01 Nov 2018 07:52:35
NNR, I agree, Mel Morris has gambled and he’s going to get a Pay day with FL

01 Nov 2018 09:25:04
How do you score 4 goals to 1 and still lose a game of football? Have Richard Keogh in the heart of your defence!

As for the Chelsea loanees they should be doing a "Dowell" and going off the boil in the New Year

01 Nov 2018 11:22:32
Don’t think we’re really in a position to be taking the piss out of the sheep defence this week

31 Oct 2018 18:30:15
Does anyone know what the deal is with Dias and Goncalves? Can they back to their parent clubs in Jan or are they with us for the season?

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31 Oct 2018 18:40:33
I'm not 100% sure but i think they are season long loans and the rules mean we have them for the remainder of the season.

31 Oct 2018 18:43:19
Hope we have Dias for the season with the option to make it permanent at a fair price, Goncalves not been given a real chance yet but as his parent club said 20m euros he has probably got talent.
To answer your question they are both season long loans.

31 Oct 2018 18:54:19
Yao get a free hat and a straw donkey.🐴🐴🐴

31 Oct 2018 19:04:07
The question is 2star would there parent clubs want them back they must of seen us coming lol 😒

31 Oct 2018 18:54:21
Until the end of the season then we buy Dias for £16m and Goncalves for £20m.

31 Oct 2018 19:36:08
No thanks!!!

31 Oct 2018 19:50:54
Thanks.

31 Oct 2018 17:22:39
I warned some time before the game with Burton that we still had problems and that selection would probably be the key. It was. Both Janko and Osborn looked ill at ease. Heff and Dawson were outrun by skippy strikers who just ran past them, and no-one in midfield seemed to know what they were supposed to be doing. Dias and Goncalves ran at the opposition but failed to do anything at the end of each run, and Cash for all his effort made no impression. The team looked stilted and out-of-sorts with each other.
Sheffiled United might well give us a drubbing - our Key defender Fox is out and that leaves Figgy and Dawson our only options, though Darikwa and Robinson will be back.We will have Colback again, but he needs a creative midfielder besides Osborn to work with, and for me Guediora does not cut it any more. We might have Murphy back to add some strength up front.
I feel we are missing out on using some of our U21 talent: Edser, Yates, Worrall, and Appiah/Gomis all deserve game time, but AK is unlikely to drop Carvahlo, Dias and Goncalves, none of who will set this league alight.
The Owner's "PepTalk" if as reported seems misplaced to me: no-one will take this team up in one season, it's a much longer job.
Having said all of that this is a strange old League - anyone can beat anyone else.
No point in moaning all the time. A top Ten finish is still possible and there are flashes of really good football here and there.
One or two or three bad results were always likely, but to expect to go up this year and then blame the players when it doesn't look likely is not supporting them or the club.
The eleven who were put out against Burton had a chance and many fluffed it, it happens, get over it ,move on.
No doubt we might see the same procedures when we start the FA Cup matches. I can't see any changes coming in January. It is what it is.

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31 Oct 2018 17:51:03
When players do not know their role in the team that is either down to the manager and his team not instructing them properly or a lack of intelligence on the players behalf.

When a manager continues to play players when not playing well is not a good thing, he should just bring them off the bench until they show improvement.

The team looked stilted and out of sorts because of all the changes as well as Nigel getting his tactics spot on.

What gets on people's nerves is the team only showing up for the teams that are in the top quarter of the table, and that have spent big.

31 Oct 2018 18:47:46
PP
You have it all wrong.
The top sides play football so Forest can compete with that, in a fight I am not sure they are up for it, apart from Colback of course.
That has never changed and never will if we want a footballing side.

31 Oct 2018 20:36:32
B V
You make a very good point, but with the amount of players AK has brought in why has he not brought in enough players which are up for a fight. It is no good having players that are not up for a fight, and can only win against the few footballing teams that exist.

31 Oct 2018 20:41:48
Bsered, interesting how you rate Guedioura. Personally I think he makes us tick and seem a better team when he's in the side

31 Oct 2018 21:28:36
I never thought much to him first time around, lively but poor at passing and gave lots of free kicks away near the box. He's now slower, but often fails to control the ball and pick the right pass. He's not the Reid-type player we needed as a midfield General, played well in first few games but now found out too often.

 


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