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12 Dec 2017 16:44:32
Watched the last 25 mins of the reading cardiff match lastnight. 0-2 down cardiff kept on banging on the door. Theur football tho robust was a delight. They had inch perfect passes through the chanmels around the width of the box off to perfection. Both teams played the ball out from the back but the difference to us was that they carried the ball forward immeduately then put a positve pass deeper into midfield. It was great to watch little hoodball even as things were getting desperate. Warnock got sent off fir rightly contesting a dreadful ref decision lol. But credit to both teams as Reading hit the post from a header right on the final whistle. Btw when omar boggle went off cardiff held it better in the last third.

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12 Dec 2017 17:40:00
I do think we take too long getting the ball forward, but how long have both Warnock and Stam been at their clubs?

12 Dec 2017 19:08:07
Warnock been at Cardiff only 5 months longer than Warburton been with us.
Hardly an age is it?

12 Dec 2017 19:14:54
Red Fred

My information must be wrong then.

I thought Warnock was at Cardiff last season for about 40 games.

10 Dec 2017 23:33:20
Watching MOTD Alan Shearer football genius .knows it all,time he stopped telling managers what they're doing wrong;stand up to the plate and let's see how good you are at being a manager?
He talks the talk,not got the bottle to do the walk.
It's alright sitting in their comfy chairs going over each decision a million times and then putting it all right,live football ain't like that and he should know better.
No bottle,always easy to criticise .
If that penalty was given against forest that loveren conceded how many of you would say,yes that's a penalty?
Soft to say the least .
Man up shearer get a proper job even though you seem over qualified.

{Ed007's Note - I've destested Shearer for as long as I can remember and I'm 43!}

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11 Dec 2017 13:28:19
He already tried it as player manager, it wasn't great, 1 win in 8 and got relegated. That was back when Hughton took them back up again the previous time they got relegated.

11 Dec 2017 21:56:42
My point exactly gingerkid,had the same with Neville telling us all what premier managers are doing wrong.
We'll he was an instant success? Not.
Danny "I fiddle my tax" and was an average Liverpool player when they were struggling,Murphy,Just sticks the knife into Klopp at every opportunity,managing players isn't easy when they earn the amounts they do,it's about finding the right players with the desire to succeed even though they are millionaires with women falling all over them.
Some of these ex players should put up or shut up.

12 Dec 2017 11:56:26

I understand your point, but in Neville's case he was a quality player and he is very good when it comes to how the game should be played.

There is a difference however between that and as you mentioned being able to handle millionaire players to get them to do what you want.

What would broadcast companies say if the people they employed to give their opinions on games just stood, or sat there and said:

Well i played football for many years but who am i to point out where successful managers have gone wrong in this game.

When i'm watching a pundit i do not want a boring, he has done well, he could be a world beater,blah, blah.

I want somone to be honest, and tell it as it is in their eyes, especially when they were quality as a player, or when they are a successful manager.

12 Dec 2017 13:33:58
Neville really?
Most boring pundit ever

12 Dec 2017 13:54:57
Neville may be boring 💤 but he has given a honest opinion, and done enough to stir a strong opinion in yourself, so he has done his job.

12 Dec 2017 21:17:54
I'm with FF79 on this one, Gary Neville has no personality, and is one of the dullest pundits out there. I'm more likely to tune out when he's one!

12 Dec 2017 21:48:20
Point is with Neville,he failed with England failed in Spain,yes he might have been a good footballer as shearer was,but it's so easy to keep stop starting the game when it's finished and tell everyone were it went wrong,it happens in split seconds on the pitch players make right or wrong decisions,the manager can't control that,he certainly wouldn't send them out to do a bad job.
The man's irritating and so is shearer,Just taking easy money without putting his neck on the line,he'll have had offers but ain't got the bottle.

{Ed001's Note - to be fair to Shearer he has applied for a number of jobs in the past, including Cardiff, but expected too big a wage and so priced himself out of the market. Since then he has settled comfortably on the sofa and stopped applying.

Other than that I fully agree with you.}

12 Dec 2017 22:13:18
Cardiff swerved one there then edd?
Merry Xmas mate,enjoy with your family 🎄🎄🍻🍻🎅🎅

{Ed001's Note - very much so in my opinion. Merry Christmas to you too and all the posters and their respective families.}

13 Dec 2017 16:23:18
To be fair, Sheared was a talented striker and a tough cookie. Who can forget when Fergies enforcer our own Roy Keane (admittedly pumped up and psychotic by this stage in his career) took a swing at him and missed. Shearer just stood his ground and stared through him whilst Keane was bouncing up and down like a thwarted loser. Sharers look just said "Keano, you are welcome to have another pop but you'd be making a big mistake". There was only going to be one winner and he wasn't Irish! I think our Roy was relieved that several players interposed themselves and even more relieved when he got sent off! Respect to Shearer though.

10 Dec 2017 20:16:20
Merry Xmas to all the Eds, thanks for your hard work in managing a sight like this, we're all football fans on here and most of us support Forest😂. All the best for the New Year too. 👍.

{Ed001's Note - cheers Sdr - hope you all have a good crimbo.}

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10 Dec 2017 22:21:25
I echo Scousereds best wishes for a happy Christmas and New Year to all our editors,many thanks,great job!

{Ed007's Note - Thanks mate and all the best to everyone on here - and we need a Forest Ed so if anyone fancies it drop Ed001 a message and me £50 and we'll see what we can do.}

12 Dec 2017 17:32:11
Merry Xmas all the eds and I'd be up for that ed 7 I could be the new skegs ed I know everyone on this site would back me doing the job 100 percent 😋😎

{Ed007's Note - Thankfully I don't make the decisions, Skegs - Ed001's the boss - but I'm sure you're a nice guy in real life ;-) And Merry Christmas to you too mate.}

12 Dec 2017 21:16:28
Merry Xmas to everyone,the posters, and the edds,

wether I agree or disagree.
Have a good one and onwards and upwards for NFFC.
Keep posting great banter,
As the song goes "things can only get better"
Merry Xmas everyone and I meen everyone🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄🍹🍹🍹🍻🍻🍻

10 Dec 2017 19:59:37
I know there is a long way to go till the end of the season but i have looked at the table and it makes interesting reading.

7 of the teams that have beat us so far this season points wise are:

Birmingham. 16 pts

Barnsley. 20 pts

Reading. 26 pts

Sheffield W 27 pts

Fulham. 29 pts

Ipswich. 32 pts

Leeds. 33 pts

Nottingham Forest are on 30 pts, so of the 7 teams listed that have beat us only 2 teams are above us and not by many points.

That makes most of the teams that have beaten us are no better off than we are.

Did they just raise their game against us, or are we a better team than some think.

Like i say still a long way to go, but it puts it in a way that we are not all that bad, and if we are, what does that say about the above 7 teams. ?

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10 Dec 2017 20:18:30
Bizarrely the least points the team has the more disappointed I am with the performance. Make from that, what you will.😀

10 Dec 2017 21:48:26
Hmmm. Not sure what your getting at GreyandRedMan. You Can't just pick the teams and stats you want,you have to look at the whole picture.
Include Villa,Wolves,Derby and Cardiff then 6 teams who beat us are above us and 5 are below us so MOST of the teams to have beaten us are better off than us.

10 Dec 2017 22:36:53
Red Fred

We just see differently, eleve teams have beaten us in the Championship, yet only four are more tham 3 points above us, one is only 2 points above us,and one only 3 points above us hardly running away from us those two are they.

The rest are behind on points, so are really as bad as some like to suggest.?

11 Dec 2017 14:46:03
The lower teams put more into defending and we can't break them down. Higher teams attack and leave space for forest to play.

11 Dec 2017 18:00:01
So basically we need another 22 points to be better off than last season?

11 Dec 2017 18:02:17
It just means we're inconsistent, and so are many other clubs in the division.

10 Dec 2017 19:01:10
Congratulations to Mark Warburton on having the best Forest manager stats since OBE at 45.45 win %

It's little wonder that the Fawaz and Billy No Brains fan club and usual Formoaners are keeping their heads down.

They'll all be hiding behind their sofas fretting our club might actually be moving forward so they can no-longer harp on about the past?


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10 Dec 2017 20:37:05
Great stats red onwards And upwards looking forward to. The transfer window

10 Dec 2017 20:46:08
I'll second that red,

10 Dec 2017 22:01:32
Hahaha. What is it with posters on here using selective stats?
It seems they're attempting to paper over the cracks somewhat.
Not the best Forest manager stats since the great Clough but up there with win percentage I'll give you that.
Look at his overall stats and they don't stand up so well.
No manager can be considered successful losing more than he wins.
I'm happy where we are for now but let's not for one moment try and make it something it isn't!

10 Dec 2017 22:44:56
Thing is Fred you have to give the cracks time to heal, he's inherited a shambles of a football club,a mess from top to bottom.
Players signed on a whim by our previous owner,how many of those players would you have signed?
Well he's got them and has to try and get a tune out of them,Well good luck with that,the previous managers havn't managed it.
You can't judge him yet,the cracks are deep and healing process will take time

11 Dec 2017 00:27:26

Red Fred has a point they are selective stats, but although he says they are papering over the cracks he knows they are not trying to big up the team, or manager but there to be positive.

He just wanted to have a bit of banter to see what happened.

11 Dec 2017 17:56:59
Red Fred

The stat is not selective its a plain matter of fact. I'm not saying its a good or a bad stat or whether Warbo is successful. However, it does put into context some of the utter rubbish and over rated managers Forest have had in the past?

Time will tell whether he is on the right lines and whether the stat goes up or down? So for now give the man some credit compared to what's gone on before?

11 Dec 2017 20:05:56
Statistics don’t mean anything.
Points and wins count.
Let’s wait until the season is over before throwing around stats and how great the Warburton is.

11 Dec 2017 20:13:11
Fair enough Redinexile.
Too many defeats thrown in for now though which doesn't make his record much better than Montanier's or Freedman's at the moment.

11 Dec 2017 21:45:11
On the positive side though 22 points will be achieved and more,finish mid table,get rid of Hobbs,fox,Mills,Ward .all sick notes who can't be relied on and contracts up.
Vaughan and Cohen as Well,although I hope we can find a role for Cohen at youth level.
Bring in fresh younger talent and the likes of Brereton,cash and Worrall have a season under their belt.
McKay and Cummins will be fitter and know what is required at this level.
Grant,Yeats,Lacovitti,Ariyibi will have had a full season playing regularily.
Lots of positives to look forward to next season for me.

10 Dec 2017 15:52:53
How annoying is that Mark Warburton fellah?
Every time the negative brigade starts to build up a real negative vibe, he goes and wins a game of football.
I mean, at this rate the irritating little man will keep his job an entire season. Doesn’t he realise this is Nottingham Forest.

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10 Dec 2017 16:14:06
He could be breaking with tradition, that makes a change.

10 Dec 2017 17:04:37
Watching the highlights and BOLTON had a few free headers from the centre of our box hmmmmm some things never change. Good result and happy with that tho!!!!

10 Dec 2017 17:20:07
Half a season is a long time at the. CG ,remember SOD !

10 Dec 2017 18:31:25
Nobody picked up Buckley running into the box. Manc was nearest to him and did nothing, and Worral didn't know what to do with the cross he headed in because the goalie was nowhere. We still cannot defend.

10 Dec 2017 19:01:23
MW will survive because.
1. Plenty of teams worse than us.
2. Owners have a mid to long term vision.
3. Our academy is producing and MW is clever enough to use them. He can't lose.
4. Senior players either accept his way or are frozen out, so no dressing room unrest.
5. When it works, the football is very good, when it doesn't he has the text book excuses.
6. The fans have returned in numbers, if and only if that changes will he be gone before the summer.
He's not perfect, still unsure if he is the long term answer but I think we'll have to take the good and the bad. All my opinions and I welcome others because that's what footy is all about. FTID.

10 Dec 2017 19:34:00
He will survive scouse and so he should for now. With new additions as well we will progress. I think there are players who are playing every week right now that would not be playing if he’d have been permitted to sign 12 new players close season. I still don’t he can choose 11 players that he’s entirely happy with. I’d be happy for us to cash in on Osborn if there is a big offer for him and let MW spend it on his jigsaw. I don’t believe any of the other young players would fetch big bucks just yet. What’s you veiws on the football scouse ? You enjoying it?

10 Dec 2017 19:50:04
Yes and no, hugely frustrating at times. Having played football for 32 years, never booked, I know a thing or too about clever defending, positioning and reading the game. Some of the defensive play we've seen under MW is shocking. I can't believe an accomplished defender as David Weir can't train them to be a more disciplined unit? My main concern is the lack of communication, a leader and an organizer. I was always accused of talking a good game and with my southern accent, would wind up the scousers. But do you know what? I believe I helped get more from the players in my team and that extra 5% helps you win derbies, cups and leagues. There should be 11 captains on the pitch for me but the pandered modern day footballer won't or can't. That squad is under performing imo and as a long suffering fan, I want more. MW step up to the plate please. FTID

10 Dec 2017 20:47:08
I don’t think he’s happy with the majority of his back 5 mate but can only you know what with what he’s got. I think Traore is the defender who scares me the most he just always looks like he has a calamity in him. Do you think we are playing good football? Apart from isolated moments and a couple of games where it’s clicked I’m not that impressed with it are you?

11 Dec 2017 15:39:30
Lucky enough to get down for the QPR game, apart from that relying on highlights so far. I can see what MW is trying to do but feel he's asking most of them to run before they can walk. My frustrations include being too easy to score against, to lightweight to battle the bully clubs (progress v Bolton)and a tad wasteful with our chances. Better than last year but a long way off from where this squad should be. Let's wait for a little tweaking in the Jan window and see where we are, after the next lot of daunting fixtures.😲

11 Dec 2017 20:21:23
QPR was a very enjoyable game mate.

11 Dec 2017 22:03:30
Can you get down to a few more please scousedreduck,4 nil every time will do for me 😀😀

11 Dec 2017 22:05:24
Surreal, I picked a good one.👍

11 Dec 2017 22:10:50
You and me both, need to wear my lucky pants more often too.😀 Shift work and child care, hoping to get to the CG over Xmas.👍

11 Dec 2017 22:41:41
I see your predictive text works as well.😀😀😀

10 Dec 2017 14:21:01
Wishey asks 2Star who he would bring in. Good answer including a LB and a CB, plus GK. I would go as far as GK, LB but TWO CBs. Defending as been our achilles heel for far far to long now and if we want to win more games than we lose it is time ruthless in idenyifying and rectifying that problem. Worrall is making progress but did you notice how many balls he sent astray passing out. He would be my first choice cover for two strong capable centre halves and make his transision more gradual. This won't go down well with Mancienne and Traore fans but Lichal as skipper would be the only one to retain a back four role imo. Mancienne is not strong enough as a CB and Traore is always injured. Smithy as also improved in goal but like Worrall will continue to improve in the next year or two and stake a claim for a regular start. Quite a brutal but honest assessment if we want to progress from mid table mediocracy. You are nothing without defence and any quality side at any level is built from the back.

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10 Dec 2017 15:18:44
Have to agree mate. any combination of our CB's just isn't good enough.

10 Dec 2017 15:24:27
Need a defensive midfielder to protect the back four,top priority for me,Osborn showed yet again against Bolton he's not strong enough and can't tackle.

10 Dec 2017 16:28:02
Yep that’d do for me as well.

10 Dec 2017 12:07:11
Good post Redfreddie, agree with all your points. We looked on the verge ofletting the game slip away until Worralls goal with Bolton having twice as many shots as us overall. His goal was against the run of play but it made all the difference against the biggest side I have seen at Forest. All three goals were good but Breretons the pick of the bunch holding off two players and showing a lot of composure to net. Bridcutt gets a lot of stick but I thought that was his best game for Forest but Mancienne again at fault ball watching for their first goal. Awful game but three points is what really matters. Going back to young Ben, just shows what he is capable of when he is played in his correct position.

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10 Dec 2017 15:51:34
Mancienne would provide us with the DM role with Bridcutt if we can get 2 quality centre halves and left back in?

10 Dec 2017 18:02:59
The only problem is that's been tried before and to be honest he doesn't look like he wants to play there,went to Burton away last season and he played there and was taken off.
Central defence or not all for me.

10 Dec 2017 18:43:22
I remember Tranmere away in the cup, MM got sent off by an atrocious referee. Played defensive midfield, passing ok but it's the timing of tackles and barking orders where he fails. I like him as a player but a bit of an enigma, bulk up for centre back or wise/speak up for centre mid. A the moment he's neither one thing or the other.

10 Dec 2017 18:49:10
Mancienne doesn't have the speed of thought or any range of passing to play any midfield role.
I too was at and remember Burton away when he played defensive mid and he was total garbage as he has been whenever played there.

10 Dec 2017 09:05:41
A good hard fought win. With four of our home-grown batch of talent playing a vital part.
Worrall was rightly Man on the Match, but Osborn, Walker and Brererton all made great contributions. I was surprised to see Osborn substituted.
If anything yesterday gave a perfect example of why we should not play route one football. We do not have the players to play that way and when we tried to play that way it resulted in us losing the ball.

A long pass is fine, speculative punt up the pitch is not.
Another encouraging sign again yesterday was the strength of our bench.
A good three points and more experience for a great crop of young talent.
Passing is the key short or long

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10 Dec 2017 11:03:56
Hopefully we will make the right additions in Jan to enable us to mix it up a bit and get a set of players who can diversify and adapt to different tactics.

These players appear to only be able to play one way and there not consistent at doing it well either I can’t see how they will ever be good enough to be anything other than mid table , no issue with that this season.

Whatever tactics are deployed in the future I’d suggest at least six players will be needed to get any consistency

10 Dec 2017 11:14:40
Great post Wishy couldn't agree more. Good to see a bit of pace down the flanks Walker was always a threat.Bridcutt was man of the match for me did a lot of work defensively and found time to slot Brereton in for his goal when everyone else was tiring.The long ball should only be used when there's nothing else on and we need to clear our lines (like Mancienne last week v Ipswich should have done!). All in all a good win against a team that looked twice our size. I remember when I played rugby as a young man we used to measure the size of our opponents in comparison to our biggest player a Welsh lad called Geraint.So their prop for example was one and a half Geraints. Likewise Bolton were all at least one and a quarter Murphy's!

10 Dec 2017 11:59:58
Just out of interest 2Star which 6 players would you bring in and which 6 players would they replace?

Would the 6 players you plan to bring in replace any of the players involved yesterday?

10 Dec 2017 12:18:53
I think we need:
A keeper, a CB, centre midfielder, left back, and striker. Only five not six. I don’t share your view that there were positive signs yesterday. That said I’ve no isssue with a nothing season bit feel we need to get some additions but. And use the 2nd half of the Season to build for next year.
I think there are a few camps on here but two ibsloy are .
Those accepting it is work in progress but convince themselves it’s coming together

THose who accept it’s work in progress but struggle to see how the current tactics and collection of players will move us forward in future seasons

10 Dec 2017 13:10:49
So 2 Star
You see no improvement this season in Osborn, Smith, Walker, Brererton, or Worrall? I see vast improvement in all 5.
Having said that I do see Hobbs, Vellios and Henderson, leaving and Vaughan playing a less significant role.

As a bit of a curve ball I would not be surprised to see Cummings returning north of the border, especially with the emergence of Walker.

10 Dec 2017 13:23:52
Sorry wishey, I didn’t answer your question about who I’d bring in. That’s the managers job to find players who can improve us where we have obvious weaknesses. After almost a year in the job and sticking quite rigidly to a way of playing I would hope he has a list of targets who can improve the team.

10 Dec 2017 13:46:06
Players like Murphy, Bridcutt, McKay, Dowell, Cummings, Boukalakis and Darikwa have all improved the strength of the squad. I trust the manager and the man he insisted on bringing in as the head of recruitment to find the player to continue the improvement.
If you can’t see that improvement we see things differently.

10 Dec 2017 14:01:40

I do not see how Darikwa improves the squad, and as good as Dowell is Clough could possibly do his job given the chance.

10 Dec 2017 14:11:38
Umm think we might be saying the same thing. No issue with who he’s brought in (apart from Darikwa on this seasons offerings) but I think he knows he is only half way there and I’d be very surprised if he doesn’t know what he needs to do next to take us onwards next year. I also think next season many supporters will be disappointed if we aren’t much stronger than we are this season. I’m happy win a season of trial and error but would hope for some identifiable continuous improvement next year or we will be mid table for many seasons.

10 Dec 2017 15:09:00
Grey and red fan

Darikwa is better going forward than Eric.
Darikwa has made Lichaj is a better player since his arrival.
Darikwa is better than our third choice right back.
He has been here 5 minutes, I am not about to right him off as the flop some of you seem only to quick to label him

10 Dec 2017 15:22:54

Darikwa may be better going forward than Eric, but Darikwa only knows how to go forward, defensive duties are a after thought for him.

Eric is stronger all round than Darikwa, there is a difference between saying someone has not improved the team, and writing them off, some do take time to settle.

10 Dec 2017 20:59:54
And Eric is currently outright back

10 Dec 2017 02:48:42
Hi all
Didn't watch the game on iFollow, was tucked up in bed afer my cocoa, it was bit late for an oldy like me
Sunday morning routine:
Get up, take the dog out, put the kettle on, open BBC Sport for results, carefully not looking at others until I scroll to Forest, open up, read report
Oh dear, another leaky defence job
Read the banter page, watch the highlights (? ), more absolute awful defending, and then onto Matchday with Max
The space we give some attackers is criminal, fundemental defending is at least being close to your man, even a low level football you see that
Summary? Lucky that Bolton didn't get a draw, is there somethng wrong with our training?
One for Redinexile:
How many Manchester United fans does it take to change a lightbulb?
Three - the first to change the light bulb, the second to buy the commemorative Manchester United Light bulb Change DVD, and the third to drive the other two back to London.
Good luck with the snow, dropped to 25 C here, brrrh!

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10 Dec 2017 11:17:10
Lol,brilliant Man u joke there Trevor love it!

10 Dec 2017 16:05:45
I see Southgate is lining up a friendly against Iceland as a World Cup warm up? If we win that one he then intends to play Tesco and Asda before the finals!

10 Dec 2017 22:27:45
Great stuff Redinexile,keep em coming fellow trickies!

13 Dec 2017 02:24:54
Tried to keep them coming but my last submission didn't appear (Ed?)
I don't want to think that Redinexile was ignored
Warburton? Not sure, I'll give him until early February before I decide.The rest of his month and January will be key in results and new faces COYR

{Ed001's Note - nothing else came through mate.}

14 Dec 2017 00:48:33
What Ed, did it get snowed in? Never mind
I looked at Redinexile and StokeyRed profiles, saw both must be from my era judging by their favourite players, mine at that time would have been Henry Newton
Another joke (for the Eds, come on lads its Christmas, smile) –
I was playing Football Manager on my PC when I was offered the Scotland job. I knew it was a poor squad with no future, so I declined the offer. I then put the telephone down and returned to Football Manager.
BTW, is there not a limit to the numbers of use of the word ‘fornicator’? Wisheyeddove must have used up a years worth but his comments were pretty good actually
Merry Christmas all and steady on the sherry!


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