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01 Jul 2019 16:46:39
I have very mixed feelings about Friday.
I was shocked and dismayed at yet another sacking, and slightly nonplussed at the new manager (sorry Head Coach.
I have tried to put myself in the position of Mr Marinakis however.
From the outside, last season since O'Neil took charge, 90% of the performances were quite turgid, the team selections were at times baffling and the tactics were safe and erring on the edge of boring.
If it wasn't for Boro at home in which O'Neil finally relented and played Joao, and play the team in an attacking formation, then I would have expected the sacking sooner.
If the senior players did indeed question the tactics last season as the fans did, and carried on questioning them to increasing degrees, then I guess Mr Marinakas had a choice. Keep faith with a manager who hadn't shown any (or much) promise with fans and players alike. Or cut loose before the start of the new season, giving a new manager a chance to implement his methods and fitness regime before the beginning of the season.
Promotion is the aim this season, does anyone believe that O'Neil could deliver this BASED on the football and tactics we saw last season. Mr Marinakis and the players clearly didn't.
It puts a lot of pressure on those players to perform, there are no excuses this season.
I can safely say I'd only heard of Mr Lamouchi because of my obsession with the French national team in the mid to late 90's and his managerial career doesn't exactly light up. However I'd also never heard of Daniel Farke, Arsenal Wenger, or Nuno Santo. All have been rather successful.
We live in hope as we only can. Only time will tell if the gamble pays off.
Does any agree or disagree?
1.) 01 Jul 2019 17:34:35
Agree.
2.) 01 Jul 2019 18:03:34
It's all it is though "a gamble"
Hope it pays off but two things are a problem
1 the squad is too large
2 if we're not in the top six by xmas he'll be sacked and with the present squad we won't be in the top six they aren't good enough.
3.) 01 Jul 2019 19:46:37
You only have to look into marikinakis. He reacts petulantly, shoots from the hip and is very very erratic. A man with money and questionable reputation. He appointed a QC to put a reputable trustworthy face to his shinanigans. How much control does our chairman have? He is just a figure head to add credibility. Its a fassard.
The fact he is bringing in 6 assistants suggest captain chaos would struggle to control this huge operation. Struggling to out door our wasters we add more top heavy coaching staff. Mike Bassett would be better placed. If our chairman had an ounce of dignity he would walk. Treating oneil in this fashion is the worst dealt to any of our last 13 managers. Oneil may have been slow to get going, as he was at Leicester, but was he given even half a chance? No as a true Forest fan of over 40 years i am disgusted at the shody disrespectful treatment of a man who brought so much in integrity and endeavour to our club and who proudly returned to launch the I believe in miracles film etc.
I doubt marikinakis has a tenth of the class in personality as MARTIN ONEIL.
4.) 01 Jul 2019 20:02:05
ITS not about sacking O’Neil as you’ve put in your post he didn’t do anything to suggest he’d turn us around, but it was the way he was sacked and for me making us look a shambles in the eyes of the media.
5.) 01 Jul 2019 21:20:58
How should they have done it?
6.) 01 Jul 2019 21:24:00
I have to completely agree with you arran_85, the way he was sacked was unforgivable and has tarnished our name once again.
rutland red1, I have to take issue with a few of your points. Whilst I think Mr Marinakis has been slightly erratic regarding hiring and firings of managers, I think on the whole he's been a positive influence on the club with the stadium redevelopment over the past few years and the new stand etc. He's also brought people into the right roles in the club which was massively lacking under the previous regime.
I'm guessing your Mike Bassett comment is a joke, and whilst I'm not happy with the way O'Neil was sacked, I do think you're looking at this with slightly 2x European Cup tinted glasses. Martin O'Neil is a Forest legend, and always will be.
If results and performances didn't improve, and training methods were still not up to scratch, at what point during what we all hope is a promotion pushing season would we take a gamble of another coach?
Our new manager may be awful, may be Platt v2. But we have to get behind him now!? I don't see how him bringing in his own coaching staff is in anyway a bad thing?
7.) 01 Jul 2019 22:01:55
Gregsideburn. We have a chairman that is ignored or just silent. We have a calamtous attitude to the playing squad. Its full of dross. Oneil had 2 days of a transfer window to bolster the defence with unfit players. Marikinakis and fawaz are the cheeks of the same arse. Impatient not steadfast, hot headed and lack calm in a storm. Ground development is a hollow promise. If we do not reach the prem this year it won't happen. Marikinakis had my respect up until he listened to the players. You look at the players oneil brought in? Given time and money and autonomy he would have been ok.
Maybe marikinakis saw things for himself that convinced him that oneil was not the right man and his swift actions and replacement are the mark of genious? We all hope so. But the big BUT is can the manager identify a team from this huge collaboration of wannabe's and has beens? Can he rinse it out and bring in some much needed quality and get the team challenging? If he can he will be miracle man mark2 at the city ground. tighten your seatbelts i hope its a bumpy ride, it needs to be!
8.) 02 Jul 2019 09:53:36
Good post rutalnd especially regarding Marinakis and Fawaz. Both have the same mentallity in my opinion.
08 Jan 2019 15:57:04
This feels like a very big month for Nottingham Forest. Maybe. A month in which Mr Karanka can really strengthen his position at the club, or be in perpetual jeopardy. A month with which to strengthen an already strong squad and challenge, or (to quote Oasis and countless others) fade away with a murmur and a mumble. To build for next year and the coming years or to burn out. To galvanise what is a quickly growing fan base or to alienate them and remind them of lesser days under a certain Kuwaiti.
At the start of the year, I said I'd be happy to be within touching distance of the promotion race, we're 4 points behind, and to be honest we're about 4 points worse off then I'd like to be. But this by any means, isn't insurmountable. Maybe
Karanka is building, gradually, with bumps in the road, but also with belief, and foundations and a proudness I haven't felt in my beloved forest for a good 8 years. No matter what happens this month regarding results and signings, I will be fully behind Forest. But maybe. just maybe this month maybe a springboard or a small stepping stone to future heights and delights. Maybe.
1.) 08 Jan 2019 16:31:31
Agree generally. Please can the management stay calm and let AK do his bit. This is 'injury time' for Forest so we do not want any upsets with staff changes,just a couple of solid loan players as back up because, mark my words, they just could be needed before Spring smiles on us. (hopefully!)
2.) 08 Jan 2019 17:00:27
I'd prefer karanka to build with players,can't see them bumps in the road being much good with a footballðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜
3.) 08 Jan 2019 17:53:37
That is why Forest struggle to get quality players, they do not want their expensive cars to be damaged by those bumps in the road.
4.) 09 Jan 2019 09:00:28
Most important signing we can make is a left back. Having a left back reduces the issues with the back four. It frees up Osborn and thus reduces the need for Dias and Gonçalves. Those can hopefully be shipped back. I like Dias but I think Osborn is more the finished article. The second best signing would be Colback. Third Lolley on a new deal. As for others they are luxury rather than a necessity.
5.) 09 Jan 2019 15:14:33
You like Dias ?
29 Jan 2020 13:25:41
Jeez Red Red, to (mis) quote a former Premier League winning manager 'DILLY DING DILLY DONG, WE'RE 3rd IN THE LEAGUE MAN'
Show a little faith in the manager that has got us there and signed some little gems along the way. For every Goncalves, there is a Samba Sow, Yuri Ribeiro or a Brice Samba.
Get on board with the players and (small personal gripe) please learn how to spell our own players names.
08 Oct 2019 23:44:55
I'm sorry, I must have read that wrongly, suggestions of offloading Carvalho to Greece. What utter tosh! That man is one of the most talented players I've seen pull on the garibaldi in years. In his first full season in English football, he contributed to 12 goals, never mind all the other chances he created, the dribbles, the runs at oppositions defences, the nutmegs, the first time passes, the one-twos, the ability to make play tick and to make play move faster.
His speed of thought is something else, his ability to create and find room is delightful, and personally he's given me more moments of pure pleasure watching Forest than I can remember. He's not perfect, he's young, he will make mistakes and he will give the ball away. BUT, I'd rather he give the ball away 2 out of 5 times, if he's trying a forward pass, or an incisive pass, or something positive the other 3 out of 5 times. He's coming back to fitness this year after a pretty bad injury and has already created opportunities all over the place.
I really don't know what more you want from a 22 year old. He's a player that could be in the Forest team for a long time hopefully. Just ruddy get behind the players we have that are giving 100% every game, because its working at the moment. I don't want 11 Carvalhos, but I also wouldn't want 11 Watsons or Sows.
26 Jun 2019 15:46:20
Hi Dan,
Whilst Ameobi's scoring record over the past few years (notably in a struggling Bolton team of which for the last year he was rarely paid on time) isn't amazing, it's not awful either
4 goals and 3 assists compared to Matty Cash's 6 goals and 2 assists isn't drastically different especially considering we finished 14 places above Bolton.
Regarding ambition, It's June 26th, I'm pretty sure Sammy Ameobi will not be our only signing this summer, and if he is, you have my full permission to call me out and humiliate me as you like.
As a free transfer on a 1 year deal, its a win win. If he is awful, he leaves. If he is ambitious and plays for a contract, we win.
If he is a starter week in week out, I'll be surprised, and if he ends up being a replacement for Lolley I will be devastated.
Instead I think he'll bring good squad balance on the wings with pace and power something we've been distinctly lacking since Antonio to be honest.
If he is one of 5 or 6 other signings, it will look like a great early free deal and boosts squad depth and options.
Feel the love, be optimistic. Let's not even mention relegation battles until it's (hopefully not) a thing.
Get behind the management whether you like him or not, the board and most importantly what ever player pulls on the Garibaldi
01 Jul 2019 21:24:00
I have to completely agree with you arran_85, the way he was sacked was unforgivable and has tarnished our name once again.
rutland red1, I have to take issue with a few of your points. Whilst I think Mr Marinakis has been slightly erratic regarding hiring and firings of managers, I think on the whole he's been a positive influence on the club with the stadium redevelopment over the past few years and the new stand etc. He's also brought people into the right roles in the club which was massively lacking under the previous regime.
I'm guessing your Mike Bassett comment is a joke, and whilst I'm not happy with the way O'Neil was sacked, I do think you're looking at this with slightly 2x European Cup tinted glasses. Martin O'Neil is a Forest legend, and always will be.
If results and performances didn't improve, and training methods were still not up to scratch, at what point during what we all hope is a promotion pushing season would we take a gamble of another coach?
Our new manager may be awful, may be Platt v2. But we have to get behind him now!? I don't see how him bringing in his own coaching staff is in anyway a bad thing?
03 Jan 2019 11:58:17
I have to respectfully disagree with most of the above comments.
Having watched every game this season so far, Carvalho has been one of our most consistent performers.
At the start of the season, I felt he was trying a little too hard, his flicks weren't quite coming off, his first time balls weren't quite making their man. And then I realised, as I think the rest of the squad did, just how good he was. They weren't on his wavelength. Once they started to trust that a player like Carvalho could play first time passes around the corner, bring balls down out of the air and find his team mates at will, they began to trust him and expect this.
Now this being said, Leeds wasn't his greatest game in the Garibaldi, but after the sending off he began to find the room vacated by Phillips and therefore Forshaw and made us tick. He came deep. he dragged players out of position. He played first time balls into feet and in behind.
He may not be the most psychical, or make Antonio style runs past 3 or 4 players, but he's megged, bewildered and befuddled more players in half a season then I've seen most players do in their Forest career. He's also scored 3 and assisted 6 and created a whole host of other chances. The one thing he does that impresses me more then most others, is his ability to play the ball quickly, without taking three or four touches. This is absolutely crucial at this level, and if you look around the forest team, its a scarcity.
He's 21 and by all means is not the finished article, and may not reach the heights that 13 million may suggest but I will defend him for the pure enjoyment he has bought myself and countless other fans watching on.
Please feel free to disagree.
Up The Reds!