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03 Dec 2017 19:48:41
As far as I can see mW doing a good job with the players he has and the bit of money he had to spend if its anyone's fault we are not in top 2 its maronakis for not giving mW enough money maranakis out.

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03 Dec 2017 21:12:59
4 good pro's to replace the 30 somethings down the spine of the team playing no nonsense footy when needed and we are sorted?

Owner and Manager IN!

03 Dec 2017 22:13:35
I'm in total agreement with you there red.

03 Dec 2017 22:18:18
Playing 30 something's players is short term, we are trying to develop the club in the long term.
Can't believe some of the fans on here

04 Dec 2017 23:08:58
Chugs you miss read he said to replace the thirty something's.

03 Dec 2017 19:46:02
Guys,
You WILL improve when you change your manager, because no matter what is blatently obvious to everyone your manager will never change.

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03 Dec 2017 20:16:45
I see rangers have won.๐Ÿค”๐Ÿค”

03 Dec 2017 22:19:45
Is the manager responsible for individual player errors

04 Dec 2017 18:46:37
Chugsy last season that was what the fans were blaming our results on when pm was in charge why is it different this season?

02 Dec 2017 21:21:16
The lads played well. we are a work in progress.
We passed the ball in our half really well and we excelled in gifting the ball to the opposition.
Smithy played a blinder between the sticks. oh have i mentioned we are a work in progress? sound familiar? ๐Ÿž๐Ÿž.

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02 Dec 2017 22:03:55
Johnson at Bristol city faced the same last season from fans,
Bet they're singing his name now?
You can't turn our mess out overnight,
Even pep with all his riches cudn't get city right in his first season.
Chopping and changing doesn't work,we'll be mid table and be ups and downs,that's the goal for me this season

03 Dec 2017 08:24:30
FF79 come on how can you defend warburton?
Are you telling me you are satisfied and happy with our results so far?
This league is extremely tough and the results clearly speak for themselves.
11 LOSSES. minus goal difference. conceeding soft easy goals. poor defending. need i go on?
How much time do you wish to give before we decline and slip further?
Something has to give I'm afraid.

03 Dec 2017 09:41:26
I'm not defending him,I just want some stability the club,and a manager to be given a chance not 30 games and start the manager merry go round again.
It hasn't worked,the finances have settled down now,we will be able to offload the last deadwood at the end of the season.

03 Dec 2017 09:47:40
Because he wheres rose tinted glasses I watch home and away we don't have a plan b OK fair enough we play nice passing football me personally I'd rather win games the ugly way if that gets us where we want to be taken arsenal yesterday 69% possession who got 3 points utd we can keep saying we are working progress we cannot defend as a unit it's beginning to think what Zach clough must be thinking probably same as velious the lad is a natural no 10 MW needs to have a rethink and quickly

03 Dec 2017 12:22:54
So you "Watch Home and Away" mate??? I thought that ended a while ago. just saying ๐Ÿ˜‹๐Ÿ˜‹๐Ÿ˜‹

03 Dec 2017 12:33:47
Spot on Johnny. We just don't seem to have the players to do the ugly stuff. This wasn't addressed in the summer even though it was quite evident end of last season.
I appreciate MW can't be expected to sort this in 1 transfer window and i'm also aware we can't keep sacking managers.Facts are facts,we've lost way too many games this season and concede an embarrassing amount of goals.Personally I'd stick with MW till the end of the season and see how things look then.A strong second half of the season could have us all feeling more positive.
Zac Clough is a concern for me.Very promising player rotting away imo.

03 Dec 2017 12:34:57
Same old forest we've become accustomed to this season. Most of the possession but created the same amount of chances the opposition created. Negative and predictable.

03 Dec 2017 13:44:04
MMs, Manager-Moaners, out in force again. Life, like football, is never easy and will never be so. We have had the major bonus of getting rid of a clueless owner, and now have someone who wants to keep the ball on the floor and build up skills in the relatively inexpensive squad he has got. Would you constantly criticise and moan at your own kids for all their failures (I know, we are not dealing with kids, as many of you seem to think) or praise them for the things they do well? The positive managers are the ones that achieve the most: half a season is no time at all in the life of a team or Club. All we can do is support the Club and the lads, even if we have rather obvious criticisms to make. Nothing breed success like success.

03 Dec 2017 15:24:12
Knee jerk replace manager moans as usual when we lose, that really hasn't worked out in the past for us has it.

At least give the guy a whole season in charge, mid table/top 10 is a decent finish, loooooong way to go yet, we do have a really young side on a steep learning curve.

03 Dec 2017 15:33:18
Iโ€™m not moaning at my kids Iโ€™m moaning at the man in charge of full grown adults thatโ€™s trying to mould them into something they will never be.who in the world has success playing the ball on the floor with no pace,tempo or directness?no team in the world plays like that.all the passing teams are direct and donโ€™t pass Just for the sake of it like we do.thats not good football thatโ€™s trying to keep the ball off the opponents so they canโ€™t score which again is down to the manager not realising that these players panic far to often when under pressure.its all well and good keeping the ball but when you have so much possession and do nothing with it whatโ€™s the point?people are mistaking good football with keep ball.

03 Dec 2017 17:35:45
We keep coming back and comparing our situation with Bristol City. Well having watched them play the difference is they have Aden Flint a 6'5" attacking centre half and Jamie Patterson who has the happy knack of arriving in the box at the right time!

Fine margins and poor squad management is something we continue to excel at?

03 Dec 2017 19:36:06
They also had owners who stood by the manager when he cudn't buy a win and refused to let flint go and credit to the lad he just gets better.

02 Dec 2017 21:13:33
Sutton ff has been reading all the comments
Today we lost because the two most experienced players on the pitch made bad individual errors , Just when we were getting a foothold.
That's down to manciene and Vaughan who should know better not warbo,
A few managers have tried to get a tune out of manciene mills fox Vaughan Osborn and even Eric,they have all failed ,why does anyone expect warbo to get a tune out of them?
They are the problem too soft,they're not built for the championship,especially a scrap.
They will be replaced make no mistake,but you can't do that in one transfer window.

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03 Dec 2017 00:31:00
Rubbish.if they are the problem why didnโ€™t he see that last season when he was in charge and change it pre season?if thatโ€™s the case why does he continue to play those players when there is depth in the squad to change them?it all stinks of a man who isnโ€™t up to the job.the problem is these players canโ€™t play the tippy tappy rubbish that warbo wants them to play as they aren't those type of players which again he should of realised as he watches them day in day out!again highlighting his downfalls.

03 Dec 2017 07:01:37
As usual ff comes up with lame excuses. anyone would think he is actually related to the breadman.

03 Dec 2017 07:54:12
Those players couldn't play a different style under montanier or Brazil either,we nearly got relegated,remember?

03 Dec 2017 09:14:33
So Warbo brings in Cummings, McKay and Darikwa who are so much better???
McKay is excellent one game in six then goes back into hiss shell

03 Dec 2017 17:55:08
So are Cummings McKay and Darikwa better than Patterson,Jack Hunt and George Boyd who have worn and could/should still wear the Forest shirt had we been more savvy with our recruitment/ retention strategy?

02 Dec 2017 09:04:38
Going to be a hard game tomorrow plenty of goals going 3-2 the redssssss.

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02 Dec 2017 10:15:30
In the words of Jimmy Sirrell ,l never predict ,you only look foolish!
CARLO

02 Dec 2017 11:02:48
Hope we don't start handing out early "gifts"!! Clean sheet please!!! 1-0!!

02 Dec 2017 11:22:40
I hope we turn up today and not tomorrow.

02 Dec 2017 15:40:07
Job done RR
CARLO

02 Dec 2017 16:27:04
Of course, we're handing gifts out left right and centre!!!!

02 Dec 2017 16:41:41
Shocking. .told you the breadman is one dimensional and picks the wrong players.

02 Dec 2017 19:00:25
Topred I wonder if the forest players read your post and thought we were playing tomorrow in stead.

28 Nov 2017 08:06:48
Mw doing a good job as expected this season. next season we will be expecting more from him but for now we're looking like top 10 finish will be happy with that ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜.

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28 Nov 2017 09:17:43
That is a proper and realistic expectation, it would be a huge improvement from last years final day heart palpitations.

28 Nov 2017 10:06:36
Disagree. Top ten in the prem is realistic buf in this league top 6 is a reasoable target. Brighton and huddersfield got there on low budgets. Just good simple football strategy. Strong no nonesense footballers.
I would never campaign for the removal of a manager like people did with freedman but our manager makes the strangest of decisions particularly playing lightweights when a more robust approach is called for.

28 Nov 2017 10:47:00
One step at a time. give MW some time. only one season in charge and you are not happy. Great job so far and with should a young squad. Future is bright

28 Nov 2017 12:38:57
ayup skeggy - top 10 this season and give ourselves something to play for next season - i'd be very happy with that!!

28 Nov 2017 14:12:30
Christmas has come early!!! Welcome back "Skeggs" hope alls well mate.

28 Nov 2017 18:06:17
Skeggy is back,hello ,Skeggy is back,hello!
CARLO PS when will I be able to use the old words ,back in thePL

28 Nov 2017 20:36:46
we have to be happy with top 10 finish after last season, see what he can do in the transfer window but i t

29 Nov 2017 10:42:24
Top ten haha dream on!
Unless the defense is strengthened in January we don't stand a chance.
Take a look at the table it makes interesting reading. Only 2 teams have lost more games than us and we are the only team in the top half with a minus goal difference.
We have only totally outplayed one team in the first 19 games.
The win one lose one run will eventually come to an end with the wins more likely to become draws rather than the defeats.
Having already lost 10 we are on course to lose 20 or more games. Teams losing that number of games over a season in the championship finish below the bottom 10 never mind in the top 10.

29 Nov 2017 11:30:37
Red Fred - bah humbug ๐Ÿค”

29 Nov 2017 11:50:54
But if we sign Aden Flint and James Chester in January we will make the top 2 ๐Ÿ˜€.
Oops I forgot, we'll need more than that cus we don't score enough either โ˜น.

29 Nov 2017 11:56:10
There are 13 teams that have already lost 7 games or more,so I can't see them suddenly changing either,most of those will be on course to lose 20 also if we use that theory.
Football at this level is too hard to predict where we'll end up come the seasons end.

29 Nov 2017 12:34:07
Exactly! Tell that to the top 10 brigade ๐Ÿ˜‚.

29 Nov 2017 14:53:38
Heard we might be signing "Wiiiiilllmaaaa!!" She'd be a "Bedrock" at Centre back!!! ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

29 Nov 2017 17:48:23
Bottom of the table have lost the same games as us.lol.only 2 teams in this league that have lost more than us thatโ€™s burton and burmingham.one of those is just outside the relegation zone the other in it.
Thereโ€™s only 4teams that have concede more than us 3 of those are in the relegation zone.if warbo got a little more streetwise he could turn some of these defeats into draws.then we would be cooking on gas.shame he hasnโ€™t got that in his locker.like the rangers and Brentford fans said.its his way and his way only.

29 Nov 2017 18:08:35
Our inconsistency will see us finish in the bottom half. Mid table at best. With Lichaj leaving in January, after rejecting a new contract, we will need a right back, a couple of centre halves and a striker. We won't be able to afford all 4.

29 Nov 2017 18:15:11
Well if the average is 20 losses and we cannot draw that's 78 points and the play offs, which is better than our 69 point projection on results so far?
Anyway is all bully bully as unless we got 138 points and a goal difference of 100 the Formoaner's would still be popping out the woodwork!

29 Nov 2017 18:36:38
Pc76

You say our inconsistency will see us finish in the bottom half.

Have you thought about any players we get in January might improve the team?

Have you thought about our team might sort out it's inconsistencies the more they play?

29 Nov 2017 20:04:09
Rangers and Brentford have both gone backwards since he left,be carefull what you wish for as that's two managers that have failed to reach the position where he left each club.
Rangers fans were all bullish cus they got a foreign manager and foreign players, coming on here, in peace to slag off Warburton,they're not now and the manager made a pigs ear of it.
They have now hit rock bottom and lost to the bottom side,bet there's more than a few would like him back.

29 Nov 2017 20:24:52
All might's and maybe's, GreyandRed. As from what I've seen up until this point of the season is what I'm basing my opinion on. Which is all I can do. I can't really see one or two signings altering the consistency levels in all honesty.

29 Nov 2017 22:51:28
Pc76

I suppose the difference between you and i is you think about what is and i think what might be.

Off course if we were really struggling i would find it harder to be hopeful.

New players will not give us consistency, but could improve the team.

Consistency comes with playing together and therefore knowing what others are likely to do and where they will be.

30 Nov 2017 05:25:35
Rangers haven't gone backwards they are 3rd.
Bearing in mind the level isn't of championship quality they are still 3rd. .like i have said in previous posts consistency,cohesion and synergy is needed. but you have to take into equation the possibility of injuries but isn't that what training is for to gel a team?
Us fans don't see how the team trains or what's entailed in their training?

30 Nov 2017 10:12:14
It all takes time and patience. Consistency will come with more games. We need to strengthen at the back as we have no depth due to sicknotes.

01 Dec 2017 10:36:18
4 big strong experienced players in their mid twenties down the spine of the team will start to iron out the inconsistencies and make us contenders in this league.

This will give us a platform for clean sheets and a more direct style when required against the spoilers of our tippy tappy football which will then become more effective.

Simples!

Carry on squad building Mr Warbo a man with a clear plan which is very refreshing for a Forest manager!

01 Dec 2017 11:30:58
if you look at brentford and rangers its taken MW atleast a year to get the team where he wants them to be! i'd be happy with a top 10 finish but who knows it could be more than that this year if we make some signings in Jan! in warbs we trust! you reds

27 Nov 2017 16:23:29
No real complaints from me about the result to be honest. I think Cardiff aren't really getting the credit I think their performance warranted.
They chased , harried and outmuscled us for most of the game.
Certainly the time wasting element of the game is annoying but its nothing new and not exclusive to Cardiff.

Not the greatest refereeing performance particularly the penalty but a different ref may have awarded it BUT may also have red carded Traore not yellow for what I thought was a dreadful tackle.

Murphy is looking tired and we may well be a bit light for someone to take his place but all in all I am not over concerned at all.
Cardiff are not second this close to christmas by a fluke and despite the shennanigans look a good side.

I still maintain we are better placed as a club than for some years.

PS I would rest Mckay for a while and start with Caryol for a couple of games on the left. Whenever he comes on things seem to happen.

COYR and tractor boys next ( love that journey hmm . )

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28 Nov 2017 09:08:45
Welcome back Skegsay. As far as I'm concerned Ipswich will be a tough game and our record away is not very good. Of course I'd love us to win, and if Bridcutt is back I think we stand a chance, but I'm not over-optimistic!

27 Nov 2017 08:13:38
I am not anti-MW and think he's taking us broadly in the right direction. You can probably sense a BUT coming. But 10 defeats already is a terrible record. Tellingly, we have not drawn a single match (only Bristol Rovers and East Fife in all 7 English and Scottish professional divisions have also so far drawn no games this season) . To compete effectively and maybe become a promotion candidate, some more steel needs building in to enable us to close games down and scrap ugly for points. We have some lovely ball players but look physically small and weak compared to other sides. Some more power and muscle is my January priority.

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27 Nov 2017 12:00:15
DrN my posts have been saying that for a while now, the inability to get a battling draw. Fefending set pieces and closing down still seems problematic.
We are in a reasonable place in this league considering where we came from and promotion with this squad never a priority. Mark warburtln is so full of footbal cliche's that irritate.
The commentary on the bbc website said that forest are continuing with the warburton way of playing it out from the back but cardiff have them sussed and are closing down quickly and denying any space. mix it up please.

27 Nov 2017 12:50:55
He seems to be focused on playing "his" style regardless and use his favourite players when ever possible.
No plan B as we again saw yesterday when he waited till 70 and then threw on the subs???
I don't think it helps that he has never played at this level

27 Nov 2017 13:18:46
Reddog68

Did Mourinino, Fergusson ever play Premiership football.

Pearce, Di Canio, and Hasselbaink all played at the top, none were that successful.

27 Nov 2017 13:41:26
I would agree with all if you here, and think it sums up our situation pretty well. For me, MW hasn't done badly so far, but the inconsistency from his teams, and some of his erratic decisions has led some fans to question his ability. Personally, I think MW lacks the experience due to his non football background. He was fortunate at Brentford and Rangers where the cracks were papered over by the promotions, and you could afford to over look these short comings. For me, it's now all about getting the next transfer window right. We need more firepower, pace, defensive resolve and more creativity. The question is can MW create that winning formula?

27 Nov 2017 16:31:10
Grey and Red
Who has mentioned premiership football?
For the record we are in the Championship lol
The point being MW has only played non league where Furvason and Jose have played at a higher level and have nothing to do with MW

All I have said is I don't think it helps but it has made my day to hear a "fan" who thinks we are in the premiership ๐Ÿ˜‚

27 Nov 2017 17:53:23
Reddog68

If i remember right Fergusson managed Man Utd in the Premiership, but never played in the Premiership, or it's equal.

Mourinino has managed Chelsea, and Man Utd in the Premiership, but never played in the Premiership, or it's equal.

They have both been successful in the Premiership as managers so their lack of playing in it has not stopped them from being successful.

Warburton has not played in the Championship, although I'm not suggesting he is as good as the above, if they can be successful in a league they have not played in why can not Warburton?

Very few good,or great players make good,or great managers.

27 Nov 2017 18:01:44
Red dog the point he is making is that you donโ€™t have to have been successful as a player at a certain level to be a success when managing at that same level in the future. Blimey itโ€™s tough going in here sometimes ๐Ÿค”

27 Nov 2017 18:42:29
2tone
I got that mate but found it a little strange to bring 2 highly successful managers into it when we are talking about Warbo, hense the play on words and laughs
We can throw names into the hat all day
Gary "Rat boy" Neville played at the highest level under Fergi but sucked as a manager

I just feel that playing no higher than non league "possibly could" be a hindrance as he uses text book systems and can't call on judgements based on his experience of playing at a decent level
It either works or it doesn't which is why we don't draw

27 Nov 2017 20:13:54
Only Playing non league football shows your ability as a footballer not as a man manager or a tactician. I donโ€™t always particularly agree with MWs tactics but I donโ€™t think itโ€™s got anything to do with his actual footballing ability or the experience he gained as a player. Non league footballers can offer a lot of positives that high flyers from the premiership wouldnโ€™t even understand.

27 Nov 2017 21:09:58
As stated in my post, I don't think it helps
That's all I'm saying

27 Nov 2017 21:34:00
The other point to make here as well is Warbo is what I would call a text book coach. Having taken all the fa coaching badges, he has been trained in a certain way, and thus delivers his set up as such. An example of that is zonal marking. Ironically, Stuart Pearce is the same in that you have these set ideas, and can't or won't deviate when things go wrong, as the coaching badges don't tell you what to do, that comes from experience.

28 Nov 2017 06:08:15
My point exactly Murdoch

26 Nov 2017 22:23:19
Interesting game today.
Warnock did his homework and out foxed us.
Warburton needs to adapt his tatctics to counter other teams.
Tippy tappy passing is good but
Passing round in triangle formations and not getting the ball forward into the oppositions half is again one of the downfalls along with poor defending et al.
We are over run with midfielder players. we need 2 decent experienced defenders at least in January.

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25 Nov 2017 10:54:31
Just seen Darikwa at the academy with a pot on his leg.

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25 Nov 2017 21:36:11
Just seen my missus in QMC with a pot on her leg,hope it's not catching.
Different plan tomorrow,watch the game,hospital then beer,glad it's an early kick off now.
It's a nice ward she's on though,they all having a good "crack"๐Ÿค•๐Ÿค•
So 3 points please I've had a shit week.

26 Nov 2017 08:39:32
Nothing like getting your priorities right?

26 Nov 2017 10:37:08
On match day you can,t beat having a pot on !
CARLO

26 Nov 2017 11:05:24
Without sounding ridiculous,what is "a pot on??" ๐Ÿ˜•๐Ÿ˜•๐Ÿ˜•

26 Nov 2017 11:11:06
Just googled it!! Have to say never heard a cast called a "pot" before???

26 Nov 2017 12:23:02
Darikwa is in the flower of his youth.

26 Nov 2017 12:30:10
That's "Blooming" marvellous Bsered!!! ๐ŸŒป๐ŸŒป๐ŸŒป

26 Nov 2017 12:40:05
Wonder if Luke Chambers has ever had a pot?

26 Nov 2017 13:53:54
Looks like we've already gone to "pot" ๐Ÿ˜ซ๐Ÿ˜ซ๐Ÿ˜ซ

26 Nov 2017 17:54:54
Feeling miserable but got a pot on the table ,keep filling it up ,starting to feel better !
CARLO

 


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