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13 Oct 2017 21:52:55
Two results tonight prove that international breaks are bad .
Bristol and Cardiff had momentum and it gets broken up,the buzz of winning gets forgotten.
To many,to close together.
Fans don't want it and I doubt players and managers do either.
Most championship sides could carry on playing ,all you lose is a few players in general.
Two weeks off and next playing Saturday,midweek and Saturday again.
No good for game or fans.

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15 Oct 2017 10:26:24
4 1 to the Rams

11 Oct 2017 20:56:39
Forest looking to sign QPR midfielder Luongo in January.

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12 Oct 2017 17:47:34
I'd rather have bidwell

11 Oct 2017 12:20:44
Shay Given looking to join a championship club to extend his career at the age of 41
Not saying we are even interested but surly his experience would make it worth trying for him?

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11 Oct 2017 13:28:40
At 41, I'd say he's too old now, and would rather see one of our many goalkeepers given a go. I also have to say you can see the progress Smith is making each game, so would be happy to stick with him. It's the four people in front of Smith that are causing us problems!

11 Oct 2017 15:45:33
A quiet, 'stay at home' goalkeeper is 50% of the problem with any defence.

A keeper that gives a defence direction and confidence is worth their weight in gold.

For example, as goalkeepers Paul Smith and Lee Camp were of similar ability but as soon as Camp came in, Morgan and Wilson actually started to look like defenders! No coincidence!! (I'm not saying I've have Campy back though)

12 Oct 2017 14:05:03
My moneys been on Given since the window closed if Smithy gets the wobbles over the next few weeks.

However he does seem to be stepping up to the plate and if we can get our best defenders on the pitch the goals against will reduce.

Main priority is a new centre back and to sort out the right back/midfield berths as the current combos do not work.

I think we would be a much more solid team with Lichaj and Ward playing on the right?

12 Oct 2017 19:55:49
I'm with Trickster on this hence the post
Smith has stepped up but too quiet for me
He needs to be vocal and rollock the back 4

12 Oct 2017 21:29:37
Won't make any odds while you've got darikwa at right back,lads a liabilty.
Smith's getting better with every game,can't st the same for darikwa.

08 Oct 2017 11:44:45
After reading on here the comparison of styles between England and Forest who else believes that Football Coaches are ruining the game and taking away our national style, in particular the British type of play.
When play our 442 style properly at pace its hard to beat.
What do people think?

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08 Oct 2017 20:33:48
Only thing you can say is that since 1966 we've won nothing playing mainly 442. Don't think the game has been ruined,you have to adapt to rule changes as well.
If you go back we had one sub,you could pass the ball back to goalkeeper and pick.it up,
You could tackle from behind.
Offside was easy to execute.
Game has changed a lot.

09 Oct 2017 07:21:23
Not ruined but we shouldn't try and replicate continental football, we just don't have the players to pull it off. Crouch up front, long ball, that's what I say.

09 Oct 2017 18:00:48
Football is an ever evolving sport both in rulesets and tactics. Gone are the days of long balls and lumping as players can generally read those balls and defend against them easily. Nowadays you switch the ball quickly or you play patiently and try to drag the opposition out of position.

The current meta Tactic is 343, which players are now playing at club level, so it makes sense to mirror that in the international scene too. Before that it was 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3. The pace and and style of the games have been influenced by the M word, where the more attractive footballing teams and technical players are dragging the game to being less of the typical English game and more towards the South American and Spanish style of play. Personally I think the old style of play with more direct passing and getting the ball out wide to a winger or up to an ogre in attack, can still work at club level when you can coach the players day in and day out, but international football needs the players to be comfortable with what they know and how they play.

09 Oct 2017 22:05:54
Wales 0 v Ireland 1 Winning at its best by the Sourcer's Apprentice and his Rotweiller!

Football has not changed its just about getting the best out of your resources and playing winning football?

10 Oct 2017 20:46:16
I saw the comparison between Wales and Forest for the goal last night. Taking unnecessary risks at the back.

06 Oct 2017 16:26:07
Are Charlie Adam or Steve Sidwell good loan targets in January to beef up our lightweight and injury prone midfield?

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07 Oct 2017 06:15:55
No they're not.

07 Oct 2017 08:24:04
Good loan signings that will cost the club 100 grand a week in wages for 2 players who let's be honest ain't any better than Vaughan and bridcutt

07 Oct 2017 09:28:15
Dont need loans. Develop our own please.

03 Oct 2017 22:36:31
I thought Oliver Burke signed for WBA yet not seen his name on the team sheet yet. ? Loan in Jan if still not playing.

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04 Oct 2017 10:02:17
He made 2 sub appearences, in his first 2 games after signing and has been injured since.

He is on his comeback, having played an hour in the check a trade trophy U21 team , last night.

So, in short, no!

05 Oct 2017 15:54:57
Burkes done nowt since he left, that 13 mill looks a cracking piece of business.

06 Oct 2017 22:46:31
One bit of business fawaz did get right,but I'll still get crucified for saying it,who cares,No way was he worth anywhere near that.
Personally think he'll end up with more clubs than Rory mcalroy

07 Oct 2017 09:10:40
13m may look like good business (and was IMO), but RBL did make a profit on it, so they're happy enough with it too!

The madness of modern football, championship player sold for 13m, makes 5 starts in a season for a Bundesliga team and increases in value!?!

But let's not write off a 20 year old so soon, remember how exciting he looked last August? Time will tell.

07 Oct 2017 20:58:34
Was scotland under 21 captain yesterday hardly contributed and was taken off at half time.
Seen it all before with Franz Carr, Good business.

09 Oct 2017 12:35:15
Never quite understood why everyone was raving about him in the first place? Head down and straight line merchant with no tactical awareness. Franz Carr Mark 2

11 Oct 2017 19:31:10
Agreed mate. however he nearly scored one of the best ever goals v Oldham in the league cup final.

30 Sep 2017 18:19:41
No Mckay again today, is there a problem?

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30 Sep 2017 19:27:26
He was flavour of the month earlier in the season. Now cannot get a game.

30 Sep 2017 19:38:25
I think he gas struggled of late against 2 markers

30 Sep 2017 23:17:27
Horses for courses today. He would have got bullied out of it and we needed the wide positions covering. Had he played wide left then we would have been completely over run on both flanks.

01 Oct 2017 11:19:58
No Lichaj, no McKay, No Brererton, is there a problem?

Yes there is! I blame the FA and FIFA. They will only allow us to play 11 players. I mean, how unfair is that?

01 Oct 2017 12:44:07
McKay doesn't fit into a 3-5-2, so in games where we play that formation, he won't play. As he's neither a wing back or a central striker. (You may not like 3-5-2 but if that's what we use, then that answers your question.)

When we went to 4-4-2, we could have brought him on for Fox and kept Osborne inside, but I think MW was trying to shield the defence as best he could, and Bouch central and Osborne wide is better than McKay on the wing, in front of Traore.

I suspect McKay will only play in games where we use a 4-3-3, where he can play as one of 3 forwards.

29 Sep 2017 14:56:39
Why are most people saying that WB has 2 games to save his job. We are only 6 points off the playoffs and only played 10 games. We have a few new lads who need to get used to each other and the more games we play the better we'll get. We can't always play beautiful football and sometimes need to win ugly but who cares because a win is a win. The new owners have put a plan in place and its a plan we need to get on board with.

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29 Sep 2017 16:57:19
I agree Bez, a lot of people on here are frustrated and have no patience, to say get rid of MW now or in a few games time is just plain crazy.

29 Sep 2017 19:42:16
Bezman We do not want beautiful football at the moment. We need results and clean sheets, it is not as though we are unlucky and loosing One Nil. We are loosing at home and leaking too many goals. How many losses do there have to be before the owners sack the manager ? Not many more I am afraid. Another loss tomorrow and MW will be gone.

29 Sep 2017 20:26:43
It's more the fact he inherited the second worst defence in league then completely ignored the fact we conceded 72 goals went our and bought loads of attacking options, leaves out last year's player of the year for a poor defender, relentlessly plays mills dispite so many mistakes and solo positional errors leading to goals, take leeds for example new owners new manager 8 or 9 new players same boat as us except there manager joined at then of June and there 3rd I'm sorry but he chose to ignore our biggest problem and is now paying the price

29 Sep 2017 20:30:29
Some want it all, and want it now.

29 Sep 2017 20:49:06
Jake he isn't going to change his way of playing.
He has a style and when it works,as it did against Huddersfield last season and Ipswich,it's great to watch.
He will stick to his way and so he should,it won't happen overnight it takes time,we'll have good days and bad days,just give it time.
If your worried don't be two team's are already relegated,in Bolton and Sunderland and that's because they are a mess as clubs from the top.
We've sorted that and if our new owners sacked Warburton after 10 games then they would be no better than fawaz.
Next thing you know another manager comes in,don't like the players out comes the cheque book,he fails,then the owners get abuse.
Ring any bells?
It should do,alarm ones.

29 Sep 2017 21:03:57
Wouldn't say that abf but an improvement would be a start defence is as bad if not worse than last year as everyone keeps saying work in progress where is the progress because I still see a team leaking goals and lacking inspiration don't get me wrong off the field is great but on it looks no different to last season right now

30 Sep 2017 10:52:41
I'm sorry. I don't understand how it's MWs fault we didn't improve the defence? He bought in a RB, tried to get in a cb and a LB in, brought in a GK who got injured before he played and has strengthened the midfield to shield the defence and is trying to get the team to transition into an attractive attacking team. We are not defending particularly well, however a lot of the issues are individual errors.

30 Sep 2017 11:37:40
ABF. I feel a Queen number coming on!!! 🎸🎸🎸

{Ed007's Note - Years ago I went for a job interview which went a bit like this:

Interviewer: What would you consider one of your strengths?
Me: Performing under pressure
Interviewer: Can you give me an example?
Me: *deep breath*

Mm ba ba de,
Um bum ba de,
Um bu bu bum da de

PRESSURE, pushing down on me, pressing down on you........

30 Sep 2017 12:36:53
Transition into attacking football ? We seldom play attacking football. We play sideways football most of the time. The reason we keep losing is because our possession is none penetrative so far this season and most of his tenure last season. Just because the ball is on the floor doesn't automatically make it attackng football.
Play like we did for 10 mins in second half against Fulham and it might click bit this manager is taking too long to spot the obvious. Is vaughans absence the reason? If so MW carries the can for that too because Vaughan hasn't made a full season for years so why would you so him as anything other than bit part.

30 Sep 2017 18:29:59
2star. Yet under Warburton both Vaughan and Cohen managed to play every game when wanting new contracts.

30 Sep 2017 19:43:02
They did mate very true.

30 Sep 2017 15:10:35
Class ED!!!

{Ed007's Note - ;-D

30 Sep 2017 18:26:39
Really liked that ed007.

{Ed007's Note - Cheers mate.}

01 Oct 2017 08:06:27
Fickle forest fans are never happy 😂 I think if we were top of the league playing rubbish football some of you lot would be calling for the managers head! Patience is needed boys, don’t forget the last 5 years! You’ll see in the next few seasons how we improve! It takes time. Rome wasn’t built in a day!

02 Oct 2017 07:07:15
Rome wasn’t built in a day, only hone cause a certain someone wasn’t in that particular job 😁

02 Oct 2017 07:13:39
Bloody autocorrect 🙄

Rome wasn’t built in a day only because a certain someone wasn’t on that particular job

02 Oct 2017 15:11:48
Ok let's blindly carry on averaging 2 goals conceded a game the improvement will be because were playing league 1 teams you just can't let that many goals in in the championship

02 Oct 2017 15:32:27
RJ. Yet we are only a small amount of points away from third place

02 Oct 2017 16:02:58
Chill there's no chance of Bolton,Sunderland,Birmingham,Burton finishing above us all four are conceding as much or more than us,so no chance of playing league one.

02 Oct 2017 16:33:44
FF79. I'm not predicting anything, but the clubs you mentioned might not go down, there is too long to go to guess.

02 Oct 2017 17:13:51
Can't see past it bright,not guessing just believe when things are not right at the top as in the case of Bolton and Sunderland,pretty much doomed,can even see Bolton back in administration,Cottrell has got to sort out 20 million pounds of misfits,if the nutters that run Brum give him any time that is. and Burton will struggle.

02 Oct 2017 17:41:25
We nearly the same points away from the bottom 3 as well abf 😁 I'm not being a doomer just looking at the facts this defence has been like this for 56 games now and 20 of those under mw and absolutely no progression I know you need the rub of the green but we have had a seasons worth in 10 games lol people say give it time when for me this defence has there time already and failed miserably

02 Oct 2017 19:07:01
Interesting you say same defence has failed,but it's not the Same,darikwa has only come in this season,traore is playing regularly for the first time,and Worrall has only come in late last season,so it's not the same old guard really.
It's not just the defenders it's the lack of tackling in midfield,how many times have you seen an opponent run from his own half to our penalty area? A lot,that needs addressing as well,It's not just defenders who need to defend.

29 Sep 2017 10:14:13
As much as I hope warbo turns it around because some of our football as been good. And I don't want a manager merry go round.
I think he's got 2 games to save his job.

Everyone knew we needed a couple of defenders of quality in. He's only spent 7m
Of britts money. But didn't fix defence. His other signings do look good but our defence shocking. Baffles me why licha ant had a chance. For me our defence should be licha Manchienne Hobbs if fit worrell if not troare.

We've also missed Vaughen holding.
Warbo also needs to just play brereton as impact sub when Murphy tires. Then play natural wingers.

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29 Sep 2017 12:41:57
Couldn't agree more, the club were too focussed on getting players in that complimented MW style of play offensively and completely forgot about the defence. Why Carayol doesn't start ahead of Brereton is beyond me. A natural winger who has the ability to supply crosses to Murphy all day long as apposed to Brereton who always looks lost and completely ineffective on the wing. Come on Warbo, don't be stubborn!

29 Sep 2017 13:13:36
So basically you are saying because Warbo could not land his defensive targets in the summer as they either decided to stay put or move elswhere and Vaughan is injured he has 2 games to save his job?

Unbelievable!

This is a long term recovery plan that will take more than one transfer window to sort out? Changing managers is the last thing this club needs this season so we will all just have to dig in and grin and bear it with the resources we have!

29 Sep 2017 13:30:06
Well said red I just can't believe some fans want to change manager again not to mention the fact the management team who would go with Warburton after some great signings it's like some fans expect us to actually be challenging for top 6 this season it was never in anybodies plans to do that we need at least a season plus to get the team to gel to bring in more of the right players and to get this club as a whole back on track

29 Sep 2017 13:46:37
Who's said anything about wanting to change managers? I think the original post says I hope Warbo turns it around.

29 Sep 2017 13:53:29
I'm on about in general on this site gazza

29 Sep 2017 14:32:21
Thank you garza red. I do hope he turns it round. He's only going to do that by playing his best defence and licha is best right back.
I think the owner will be looking at next 2 games.
I would personally give him till December to see where we are. If mid table I'd stick with him and sign a couple defenders. Of quality

27 Sep 2017 09:50:49
With all this negativity about Warbo and the "new regime" let's just remind ourselves of the superb work our owner has done off the pitch in such a short space of time. Mr.Marinakis has put people in to steady this great club and help it survive. The management of our team however is seperate. Yes the owner is in charge of hiring and firing but it was reported that he told Warbo he would get time. He seems a man of his word which is a rare thing these days. We don't want to rub new owners up the wrong way with negativity about the new regime.

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27 Sep 2017 10:47:59
Redfin all the critiscm has been aimed at warbo. Most on here have been grafefull to the regime in general and are aware that the club is in very good and safe hands. However i have said this before thst the playing and management staff are the shop window. let's be honest warbo has had 7 months to shape thus team and it is as disjointed as ever witb warbs ignoring the obvious. Ppl who say wait till jan for more signings are naive as we all knew the defence was a priority. I would not trust him with any more money sorry but it just ain't happening and at some point the chairman not marinakis will wake up to the facts that warbs was a mistake. Not a problem we all make mistakes and its the finding out and admitting them that is the hard bit. If their was a good pattern and signs of improvement then thd transision would be bearable. It ain't and the axe maybe hovering!!!!

27 Sep 2017 11:40:42
I hope the chairman has that conversation with Warbs before chopping him rutland. If he decides to walk rather than change he is the wrong man. don't get me wrong I am not a Warbo lover but I just don't want to see half a dozen managers and staff come and go and drain money that could be spent on players disappear down the drain.

27 Sep 2017 12:38:39
Agreed redfin

27 Sep 2017 12:59:29
You make a good point Redfin but Warburton wants to play his style.
If he was told to change his style of play would he be happy and want to stay and give is his best efforts?

27 Sep 2017 14:09:38
We may find out soon reddog. The owner and chairman will not stand by while we slide down the table for much longer. Results need to change which may require a change on style or formation. We will see if he can adapt or if he will walk.

27 Sep 2017 19:59:53
The owner should have to tell him to change as that's undermining him also if a quality (not my words) manager can't see his style isn't working and do something about it then what hope is there?we don't want owners telling managers what to do!well we didn't the last 5years anyway.

27 Sep 2017 20:11:38
You keep going on Rutland about how Warburton can't do the job maybe your right maybe your wrong so who is the manager you would bring in to sort this so called mess out it would be interesting to see who you would choose.

27 Sep 2017 20:47:02
Skeggs asked the same question. I think a manager with less ego and more common sense would pick lijcha hobbs and velios. Have a skipper and a better grip of defending. I may have opinions but i cannot choose. But managers like holloway, big sam and neil warnock seem to quickly get their players playing with endeavour and look like battlers. Big big passion and where sometimes the foofball jsn't the prettiest they get at the opposition. The players under theses managers play well above their abilities. Its simple motivation.

27 Sep 2017 21:06:18
Nigel is supposed to be able to organise and motivate a team, now we have the off field set up, and in theory better players than Albion he may join us if asked.

27 Sep 2017 21:13:19
A manager without an ego?
That's called a yes man,so you'd be okay he'd listen and do everything the coach fans ask for.
Great idea let's go for it.lol.
Holloway?lol

27 Sep 2017 22:05:02
I said less ego and as for holloway he has motivated average teams to the very very top. Ppl bang on about king billy, king of bs. A meglomaniac. Remember paul hart??? He knew how to harness youthfull endeavour, played a bit of footy but that was not enough for forest. He got sacked, disgracefully in my opinion.

27 Sep 2017 23:56:40
Your right about Paul Hart,our owner at the time sold our three best players,or to be correct let them run their contracts out and leave for nothing.
No investment the next summer and he got the blame,
Not just the manager when things aren't right,it's a big team effort.
The owners appoint a manager,so ultimately if you don't like the manager,then you are questioning the judgement of the owners.
If you want the owners to tell Warburton to change,then that's interference and back to fawaz ways

27 Sep 2017 23:55:07
Big Sam would be a good choice but are you not fed up with changing managers I know I am

28 Sep 2017 08:21:46
I do not want to swap managers. Consistency will work, it just takes time. Stop panicking over some poor results. MW is a pretty decent manager, and at least we are trying to play football. If you coach players to play one way and then switch and panic they will do the same lose confidence and you will lose your job. Keep a consistent approach, make slow changes, allow the squad to adapt and learn and build up confidence and then you've changed style, tactics and have not lost face or the players confidence. My only issue is that he keeps switching formation and seems to not change a couple of problem players.

29 Sep 2017 13:21:49
I'm fed up like everyone else with all the changes in management we've had. so Warbs. Please turn things around starting tomorrow,much in the fashion Fergie had to,all those years ago!!! And yes,it would be great if also if you/we could go on to enjoy some of the success he had!!! COYRS!!!

 


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